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Guillermo Luijk

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« on: September 17, 2007, 06:44:31 pm »

I was doubtful whether to post this article in Digital Signal Processing forum, or here in the Shooting. Actually what Fuji's Super CCD does is rather a shooting technique than a processing.

For the first time I have been able to fiddle in a HDR shot provided by the Fuji S3 camera where a high contrast scene was shot, and I am amazed at the real captured dynamic range; definitively a Canon or Nikon is far from being able to do this in just one shot.

Fuji's sensor generates two independent images in just one shot. In DCRAW's manpage is said that they are 4 f-stop apart (does this figure mean anything to you?). I have blended both with my bending routine and the program calculated that the two images were 3.6EV apart, and this is the exposure correction that was used. In fact if we load both linear images in PS and correct the most exposed by -4EV, it becomes a bit too dark so I trust more the calculus yielded by my program.

The image is acceptably free of noise in all its pixels, so looking at the logarithmic histogram:

 


These are the partial images:




And the blending result (ACR and other developers perform this blending automatically, in DCRAW I had to extract them one by one with the -s option):




I think what the Fuji sensor does is fantastic. Exactly the same concept as shown here: ZERO NOISE PHOTOGRAPHY.

NOTE: I know this is nothing new, but this is the first time I put my fingers on a Fuji RAW and wanted to share because I was really surprised at the results.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 08:10:41 pm »

Fuji S3 is truly remarkable - it even beats digital backs in the dynamic range. The problem with this camera though is that you can NEVER get a really sharp picture, its interpolated all over... That is why I bought Mamiya ZD:)
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 08:14:02 pm »

GLuijk, do you mind sharing the raw file? I am curious what SilkyPix can do with it in comparison. By the way, could you also post a 100% crop from your merge of the 2 exposures, NOT TURNED 45 degrees - I wonder if your result would be sharper!?
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 11:24:52 pm »

Now all they need to do is make a BIGGER, HIGHER RESOLUTION CHIP, and I'd probably buy one. The D.R. is looks great.

(What's the hold-up Fuji??)

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 04:12:31 am »

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GLuijk, do you mind sharing the raw file? I am curious what SilkyPix can do with it in comparison. By the way, could you also post a 100% crop from your merge of the 2 exposures, NOT TURNED 45 degrees - I wonder if your result would be sharper!?
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I'll ask for permission since the RAW file is not mine.

Regarding the 45º rotation, DCRAW performs it automatically and if David Coffin decided it to be that way, is surely because it's a lossless 45º rotation (which BTW makes sense).

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 07:44:47 am »

Hmmm strange, I was able to get not turned images from dcraw. there was some command option, I'll take a look

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I'll ask for permission since the RAW file is not mine.

Regarding the 45º rotation, DCRAW performs it automatically and if David Coffin decided it to be that way, is surely because it's a lossless 45º rotation (which BTW makes sense).
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 08:07:59 am »

I have the Fuji S5.  I don't do the testing that you do but I bet its even better.  When shooting weddings I have found it almost impossible to blow out highlights unless I really screw up the exposure.  It has amazed me what highlights I can drag back down in ACR.  Makes exposing for the right side of the histogram alot less scary.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 10:04:34 am »

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Hmmm strange, I was able to get not turned images from dcraw. there was some command option, I'll take a look
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you are right, the -j option allows not to rotate/stretch to fit aspect ratio the images, which could be then done externally in PS or other more optimised software. BTW I have permision to lend you the RAW; please just mention the author (as I did not  ): Antoni Vilarrubí Rodríguez.
I send you a private message with the download link.



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I have the Fuji S5.  I don't do the testing that you do but I bet its even better.  When shooting weddings I have found it almost impossible to blow out highlights unless I really screw up the exposure.  It has amazed me what highlights I can drag back down in ACR.  Makes exposing for the right side of the histogram alot less scary.
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Hi Craig, may I have one of your largest dynamic range S5 RAW files to analyse it?
You can send it through www.yousendit.com (my email gluijk(at)hotmail.com)

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 02:22:03 pm »

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Now all they need to do is make a BIGGER, HIGHER RESOLUTION CHIP, and I'd probably buy one. The D.R. is looks great.
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Fuji did announce a medium format back with a "super-sized" SuperCCD sensor, but the project faded away. There was talk of it being released in Japan only, but I never heard more.

Perhaps the reason is simply that the market for larger, more expensive sensors is too small to be attractively profitable to most companies. Two MF sensor makers is probably enough for that niche, and maybe two is also enough for 24x36mm, with Canon and Nikon in a position to box out any competitors through the far greater professional acceptability of their SLR systems as a whole.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 10:52:20 am »

GLuijk,

I sent you a message with a link to a processed jpg
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