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Raoul

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« on: August 23, 2007, 09:26:45 am »

For me the perfect camera is an imaging device having the following characteristics:

1) capable of resolving 8 lines per mm on a 60x40 cm print (that is approx 16x24 inches) for a zoom range from moderate wide angle to moderate tele.
2) dynamic range of +- 10 stops; 14 bit depth seem sufficient.
3) convenient.
4) cheap.

In more detail:

1) means the camera-lens combination will need to resolve 4800 horizontal lines and 3200 vertical ones. Today's Canon 1Ds Mk2 with a good lens resolves 2800x2400 lines.Source http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1dsmkii/page25.asp

3) "convenient" means compact enough to carry on a trip, lightweight, reliable and fast. Scanning a large negative does not qualify. Nor does a beast like a 1Ds or D2x.

4) "cheap" means about 3000 EUR or USD in 2007's money for camera + lens. While this is not exactly small change for most people, it would be good value for the last camera you need to buy.

Anything better than this would qualify as a specialist camera (i.e. like the ones in satellites, or other scientific imaging devices) for me.

Currently you can pick 2 out of these 4 characteristics. Question: when can we expect a machine offering all of the above? 10 years? 15 years? more?
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 09:36:09 am »

That camera maybe posible in 6-10 years...
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 10:50:09 am »

Raoul: love your specs.

The day after the perfect digital camera is announced there will be another announcement of the birth of a breakthrough technology that will go on to make digital capture obsolete.

This may sound facetious, but the history of technology shows that instead it is just plain fact.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 11:38:10 am »

Once upon a time, 128 KB was enough memory for everyone ...
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 12:44:31 pm »

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128 KB??? That was the big time. My Commodore 64 got along fine with 64 KB, which, if I recall correctly, was the limit in the early IBM PCs.    

And for storage, my first PC clone had a whopping 20 MB hard drive, twice what the PCXT had. Ah, the good ol' days . . .

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2007, 01:30:23 pm »

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128 KB??? That was the big time. My Commodore 64 got along fine with 64 KB, which, if I recall correctly, was the limit in the early IBM PCs.   

And for storage, my first PC clone had a whopping 20 MB hard drive, twice what the PCXT had. Ah, the good ol' days . . .

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64KB ?????...Well.... when I was young.... I start to work with TI and the first computer I worked in a Bank, the computer did all work batch, didn´t have HD, only tapes, had 12 kB. It was a IBM/3. A big machine.....the best. Today I think the simple calculater have more memory then that.

I have a Canon 5D, and ([span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\']today)[/span] it is wonderful to me.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2007, 02:21:52 pm »

This is getting off topic from the original post (and the list itself is grossly out of date), but I remember seeing this about 15 years ago...

Mike.

Computer Trivia

You're in Paris, and you decide to use your American Express card.  Getting credit involves a 46,000 mile journey over phones and computers.

The job can be completed in 5 seconds.

ENIAC, commonly thought of as the first modern computer, was built in 1944.  It took up more space than an 18-wheeler's tractor trailer, weighed more than 17 Chevrolet Camaros, and consumed 140,000 watts of electricity.  ENIAC could execute up to 5,000 basic arithmetic operations per second.

One of today's popular microprocessors, the 486, is built on a tiny piece of silicon about the size of a dime.  It weighs less than a packet of Sweet' N Low, and uses less than 2 watts of electricity.  A 486 can execute up to 54,000,000 instructions per second.

The cost of computing power drops roughly 30% every year, and microchips are doubling in performance every 18 months.

Let's say you're going to a party, so you pull out some pocket change and buy a little greeting card that plays "Happy Birthday" when it's opened.  After the party, someone casually tosses the card into the trash, throwing away more computer power than existed in the entire world before 1950.

The home video camera you use to take pictures of the party contains more processing power than an old IBM 360, the wonder machine that gave birth to the mainframe computer age.

The party gift you give is a system call Saturn, made by Sega, the gamemaker.  It runs on a higher-performance processor than the original 1976 Cray supercomputer, which in it's day was accessible to only the most elite physicists.

Development of the integrated circuit (invented in the late 1950's) has permitted an ever-increasing amount of information to be processed or stored on a single microchip.  This is what has driven the Information Revolution.

Between 1960 and 1970, the number of components on a chip doubled each year from 1 in 1960 to 1,000 in 1970.  Since then, the number of components has doubled every year and a half, reaching 100,000,000 in 1990 and 1,000,000,000 in 1992.

Today's average consumers wear more computing power on their wrists than existed in the entire world before 1961.

Computer power is now 8,000 times less expensive than it was 30 years ago.

If we had similar progress in automotive technology, today you could buy a Lexus for about $2.00.  It would travel at the speed of sound, and go about 600 miles on a thimble of gas.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2007, 05:15:13 pm »

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And for storage, my first PC clone had a whopping 20 MB hard drive, twice what the PCXT had. Ah, the good ol' days . . .
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My first Mac had two internal floppies (400k each). My boss bought, at huge expense, a hard disk for me to use. It was fantastic! Fast, huge, only about £1,000, I think.

And 5MB!

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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2007, 05:57:26 pm »

Obviously even this perfect camera will get 'improved'. Even better resolution, color depth, image processing etc. Each improvement pushing the cameras further into specialist territory, not necessarily improving the picture taking ability. A bit as for film cameras with added bells and whistles, stronger bodies, faster (not always more accurate) AF, higher frame rates etc. The capability to capture an image remained unchanged. I also qualify exposure speeds of 1/8000 second as specialist territory.

I think interconnectivity will notably improve, i.e. the camera broadcasting the pictures around the globe in almost real time to the client or other recipient. Does this make the camera a better picture-taking device? No. But better suited for photojournalism, a speciality within a narrow profession.

I'll rephrase my question: when will we see a camera that you want to replace when it breaks, not when a new model is released? A bit like getting a better teapot.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2007, 08:52:45 pm »

Never. There will always be improvements, there will always be the desire for something better, and those who have the means to upgrade (e.g., working pros) will do so, recognizing there is a better tool for the job.
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