Topic: HC 50-110 ring flash (Read 6201 times)

marc gerritsen · « **on:** July 16, 2007, 03:10:54 pm »

I am looking for a ring flash that would fit the HC 50-110
So far the max inner circle of the ring flashes I have seen are 100mm
Althought the 50-110 is 99mm wide at the top it quickly flares out to about 105mm and I think it cannot protrude far enough.
Any suggestions?
Marc

SeanBK · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2007, 03:26:46 pm »

Have you looked into Pro 7 Ringflash by Profoto.
http://profoto-usa.com/products/pro-7/pro7_fhs.asp
Good Luck, as this one is also 100mm. I have reservations that you want to protrude far, as it might get in the way of light distribution from the refector. Just my 0.02c.

sundstei · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:46:36 pm »

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I am looking for a ring flash that would fit the HC 50-110
So far the max inner circle of the ring flashes I have seen are 100mm
Althought the 50-110 is 99mm wide at the top it quickly flares out to about 105mm and I think it cannot protrude far enough.
Any suggestions?
Marc
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I use the Profoto version (same as Broncolor) with the 50-110. No problems, but its a tight fit.

Svein Erik

pprdigital · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2007, 08:50:08 pm »

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I use the Profoto version (same as Broncolor) with the 50-110. No problems, but its a tight fit.

Svein Erik
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Not to hijack this into the lighting thread, but the ProFoto is the same as the older, discontinued Broncolor Ringflash. The new Broncolor ringflash is totally different with no power limitations, and adds modeling lights and grid accessories.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
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paul_jones · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2007, 10:59:55 pm »

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Not to hijack this into the lighting thread, but the ProFoto is the same as the older, discontinued Broncolor Ringflash. The new Broncolor ringflash is totally different with no power limitations, and adds modeling lights and grid accessories.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
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steve, theres new version of both ring flashes. why didnt they think of a modeling lamp before?

[a href=\"http://www.profoto.com/products/heads/prohead/proring2/]http://www.profoto.com/products/heads/prohead/proring2/[/url]

paul

paulhu · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:40:32 am »

Hensel ringflash has a front diameter of 105mm, and I can't even get my HC 50-110 lens to go through it, so the front part of the HC 50-110 lens body must be larger than 105mm.

sundstei · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:38:27 am »

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Not to hijack this into the lighting thread, but the ProFoto is the same as the older, discontinued Broncolor Ringflash. The new Broncolor ringflash is totally different with no power limitations, and adds modeling lights and grid accessories.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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Steve,

The Profoto and Broncolor are the exact same. Same producer of the ringflash probably. Both have modeling lights. The older versions are also identical.

Svein Erik

pprdigital · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:49:39 am »

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Steve,

The Profoto and Broncolor are the exact same. Same producer of the ringflash probably. Both have modeling lights. The older versions are also identical.

Svein Erik
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Huh - well I knew the older ones were the same, didn't know the newer ones were also. Learn something every day. I can say this - the new ones out-rock the older ones by a mile.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com

sundstei · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:54:10 am »

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Huh - well I knew the older ones were the same, didn't know the newer ones were also. Learn something every day. I can say this - the new ones out-rock the older ones by a mile.
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I dont see much of a difference between the new and the old one as far as results go. Modeling lights is not really something i use anyway, but the ability to keep it colder (via the built in fans) is quite nice in a hard session. We have horrible 38degrees here now, so any extra warmth is not appreciated.

Svein Erik

Khun_K · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:51:45 am »

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I dont see much of a difference between the new and the old one as far as results go. Modeling lights is not really something i use anyway, but the ability to keep it colder (via the built in fans) is quite nice in a hard session. We have horrible 38degrees here now, so any extra warmth is not appreciated.

Svein Erik
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I am also using the old Bron ring flash, start to use it when it becomes available until today. I don't find missing the modeling light such a problem. The only issue was that really the right flash with HC 50-110 combine with H3D or H1H2 with other back is simply too heavy and not balance well. In comparison, the Contax 645 and 45-90 distagon (constant aperture) is lighter, more compact and a lot easier to shoot especially outdoors.

DesW · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:43:41 pm »

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I am looking for a ring flash that would fit the HC 50-110
So far the max inner circle of the ring flashes I have seen are 100mm
Althought the 50-110 is 99mm wide at the top it quickly flares out to about 105mm and I think it cannot protrude far enough.
Any suggestions?
Marc
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Hello,
I would test the Profoto Ringflash carefully--mine blew up after less than a years use-it is useless for fast fashion shooting --the tube is too fragile for continious snapping,even with a P25/H1.

Good concept--Flawed execution for the real world hectic shooting.

Caveat Emperor,

DesW

mmurph · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:31:44 pm »

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the tube is too fragile for continious snapping,even with a P25/H1.

The older versions are limited to a maximum of 9600 Ws per minute. The newer version with the fan does not have that same limit.

I looked at the opening on my newer Broncolor ring with modelling lights. It does not look larger than the older version without lights. I suppose I should take along a measuring device on my next trip to the equipment room?

The modelling lights are helpful in reducing the dilation of the models pupil, so that they are not so blinded by the light. I still keep the old version for location use on battery, when I can't use modelling lights anyway and the power is 1200 Ws max on the pack.

Best,
Michael

Khun_K · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2007, 12:17:12 am »

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Hello,
I would test the Profoto Ringflash carefully--mine blew up after less than a years use-it is useless for fast fashion shooting --the tube is too fragile for continious snapping,even with a P25/H1.

Good concept--Flawed execution for the real world hectic shooting.

Caveat Emperor,

DesW
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Mine has been with me for over 4 years and I have contless expores made by the ring flash. I did have an issue 2 years ago that 1/2 of the tube won't fire that I had to fix it on location - not sure what happened, but I disassemble and reassemble the unit, make sure the cable is tight, and it still functions today.
Since the ring flash is so powerful, I suppose with the LED modeling light won't help much to avoid the model being blinded by the ring flash, yet most of professional models I shot seemed to be able to deal with it. For location work in place like Thailand, many times the ring flash is the only solution for shoot really small F stop in day light fill flash. It is quite welcome that Bron finally have the verso line of mobile power pack that go up to 2,400 watt.

mmurph · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2007, 04:10:03 pm »

I measured both the old and new ring. I get 100mm on both at the face (front) of the ring, no difference between the two that I can see.

Not sure if the new one can accept the reflectors from the old one? I thought they did not, but will have to try it again. That is another reason why I kept my old ring.

I had also heard that all of the older rings were the same, made in the same factory. Interesting that a Profoto Acute cost $700+, a Profoto Pro $1,1100+, and the Broncolor $1,700+ (the Acute actually uses a lower voltage, but you can easily get an adapter - pigtail - to go from Profoto to Bron to Speedotron etc.)

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It is quite welcome that Bron finally have the verso line of mobile power pack that go up to 2,400 watt.

Slightly OT:

I have two Mobils, which are 1200 Ws each of course. I use them with a bi-tube head when needed for 2400 Ws on location (would like a Verso, but ... )

That doesn't help with the ring. The bi-tube is nice in a Para though, which already has pretty high output/efficiency.

Best,
Michael

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