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josayeruk

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« on: July 13, 2007, 09:23:23 am »

Perhaps I can ask for a little help from the more experienced Capture One users with P30's or any Phase for that matter.

I got some P30 files from a friend and have been playing about with them in Capture One (only have 14 days left on the licence!  Anyone now how you can extend that without owning a Phase Product?)

So far I am quite unimpressed with the level of detail compared to my H2D-22.  There seems to be a lot of blurring / noise suppression going on which looks pretty ugly.

Also A LOT of default USM which I am not used too.

I wonder if I am doing something wrong?  The following settings...

Noise / Colour / Banding suppression

Do you normally disable them?  Set them to Low or High?

The sharpening is set to standard look.

Also if you have a setting with mixed lighting...  (Flash, Tungsten, Daylight) which profile do you use?

Is there anything else to be aware of when processing an image.

At the moment, I cannot understand what all the fuss is about with Phase.

Thanks for you help,



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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2007, 10:44:46 am »

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Perhaps I can ask for a little help from the more experienced Capture One users with P30's or any Phase for that matter.

I got some P30 files from a friend and have been playing about with them in Capture One (only have 14 days left on the licence!  Anyone now how you can extend that without owning a Phase Product?)

So far I am quite unimpressed with the level of detail compared to my H2D-22.  There seems to be a lot of blurring / noise suppression going on which looks pretty ugly.

Also A LOT of default USM which I am not used too.

I wonder if I am doing something wrong?  The following settings...

Noise / Colour / Banding suppression

Do you normally disable them?  Set them to Low or High?

The sharpening is set to standard look.

Also if you have a setting with mixed lighting...  (Flash, Tungsten, Daylight) which profile do you use?

Is there anything else to be aware of when processing an image.

At the moment, I cannot understand what all the fuss is about with Phase.

Thanks for you help,
Jo S. x
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Jo S. x,

We can help you with your P30+ file processing.  There is a way we can extend your C1 license, but if you could contact us we can walk you through the activation and with your file processing.
There are several settings that we will need to look at, depending on the lighting/ subject matter that was used.

Please contact Tim Palmer (tech)  tim@captureintegration.com  (404)522-7662 or (877)217-9870

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Capture Integration
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2007, 10:49:53 am »

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At the moment, I cannot understand what all the fuss is about with Phase.

In fairness,I think if you supplied someone with a few Hasselblad .3F files and
set them onto Flexcolor without any guidance they would reach the same conclusion
about Hasselblad as you have about Phase.  (That is,if they could even figure out how to
load the 3F files so that they open as .fff files where you can edit them)

Once you know,it's a piece of cake.


In Capture One,I believe a majority of people who do not want to apply USM at the
Raw stage choose the 'Disable' setting.

Noise Reduction is set to 'Low' and Banding Suppression to 'Off'

This will give you a converted file with the least amount of default sharpening and NR
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2007, 11:01:51 am »

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In fairness,I think if you supplied someone with a few Hasselblad .3F files and
set them onto Flexcolor without any guidance they would reach the same conclusion
about Hasselblad as you have about Phase.  (That is,if they could even figure out how to
load the 3F files so that they open as .fff files where you can edit them)

Once you know,it's a piece of cake.
In Capture One,I believe a majority of people who do not want to apply USM at the
Raw stage choose the 'Disable' setting.

Noise Reduction is set to 'Low' and Banding Suppression to 'Off'

This will give you a converted file with the least amount of default sharpening and NR
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Mark,

how do you load a .fff file into Flexcolor for editing?
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josayeruk

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2007, 11:12:30 am »

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In fairness,I think if you supplied someone with a few Hasselblad .3F files and
set them onto Flexcolor without any guidance they would reach the same conclusion
about Hasselblad as you have about Phase.  (That is,if they could even figure out how to
load the 3F files so that they open as .fff files where you can edit them)

Once you know,it's a piece of cake.
In Capture One,I believe a majority of people who do not want to apply USM at the
Raw stage choose the 'Disable' setting.

Noise Reduction is set to 'Low' and Banding Suppression to 'Off'

This will give you a converted file with the least amount of default sharpening and NR
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Thanks Mark.

Yes I am sure unfamiliarity doesn't help.

I think Capture One is actually pretty nice... and the file 'looks' correct.

But looking closely I don't like the quality of the file when it comes to details.

Ill try your suggestions and see if that makes a difference.

Thanks!

Jo S.x
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josayeruk

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2007, 11:14:21 am »

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Jo S. x,

We can help you with your P30+ file processing.  There is a way we can extend your C1 license, but if you could contact us we can walk you through the activation and with your file processing.
There are several settings that we will need to look at, depending on the lighting/ subject matter that was used.

Please contact Tim Palmer (tech)  tim@captureintegration.com  (404)522-7662 or (877)217-9870

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
www.captureintegration.com
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Thanks Chris,

Thats a very kind offer.

I won't waste your time however, as I am in the UK so it would be unfair to take up Tim's time when he has your own customers to deal with.

But thanks anyway!

Jo S.x
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josayeruk

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2007, 11:26:20 am »

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Mark,

how do you load a .fff file into Flexcolor for editing?
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Easy!  

Goto the Thumbnails window (Window>Thumbnails) or hit Cmd 8.

In the top left corner of that window, just target where your 3F files are.

They will then appear in the window as thumbnails.  Double click and you can begin to edit.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2007, 11:27:40 am »

Deleted for the sake of clarity

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josayeruk

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 11:40:41 am »

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Henry

Edited for the sake of clarity!   

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Nearly right Mark!    

When you capture the CF card it is in 3FR format (Like Phase IIQ).  Both are compressed files

When you import to FlexColor they are then 3F files .fff  (Like Phase . TIF).  These are uncompressed.  This decompresion is done as you load files from the CF card to the computer.  it is not a two stage process.

So it is no different really.  Just different names / slightly different workflow!
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2007, 12:03:58 pm »

Thanks for the explanation.


As my previous post added more confusion than clarity I've deleted it as
yours gets to the point properly

Mark
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josayeruk

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2007, 12:26:58 pm »

 

I'm just reprocessing some files as to your suggestion.

Ill see how they look!

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josayeruk

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2007, 12:45:14 pm »

Ok...

Thats much closer to what I am used too.

I think its madness that the Noise and Banding tool are on by default.  They seem to destroy all the detail.  It looks much better with those tools and the sharpening turned off.

...  Still prefer the H3D though.    

Thanks for the advice Phase One'ers.

Jo S.x
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