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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2007, 12:49:24 am »

Hi,
     Have you considered the Fuji GX680III, great camera. I have one and would recommend it. Extremely versatile. Great lenses, and a full range of movements. Only slightly bigger than a Mamiya RZ, but much lighter. They are quite reasonably priced now on e-bay.

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2007, 05:31:32 am »

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You might look at the Kapture Group Tru Wide Camera. If you used the Nikkor 85mm tilt shift you could get a nice selective focus going. It will cover the 4x4cm  H-20 sensor fine. If you are doing a lot of lens movement you may need to use the lens cast correction in Capture One, but it works pretty well. You would also be able to use some other fast nikkor lenses f1.4 or f2 to get a nice effect. I used to have one with an H-20 and it worked very well with the 50 f1.4 wide open. It crops a little on the corners with the 4x5cm chips like the P-25.
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The truewide with 85PC is excellent however, test any DB that you are going to use with it first. This lens has the nasty habit of creating ugly reflections with some sensors. Apparently the sensor service of some sensors inhibit this behaviour more than others. My Aptus17 is like that and I have been told the Imacon doesn't. (BTW I have one for sale )

When you need to have all these movements and you want portability my choice probably would be with the Flexbody and have it alters in Australia when that is possible. I just got a flexbody but this is a truly magnificent piece of equipment. People are dumping the things for low prices. A bendy blad would cost you around 2500euros (if the quote above is correct). To take the back of now and than is a pain in the b*tt but doable. Maybe one day live video will be really there, that day I predict a lot of people want their flexbody back .
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2007, 06:53:41 am »

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When you need to have all these movements and you want portability my choice probably would be with the Flexbody and have it alters in Australia when that is possible. I just got a flexbody but this is a truly magnificent piece of equipment. People are dumping the things for low prices. A bendy blad would cost you around 2500euros (if the quote above is correct). To take the back of now and than is a pain in the b*tt but doable. Maybe one day live video will be really there, that day I predict a lot of people want their flexbody back .
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I have read that some lenses will not focus to infinity with the flexbody..is this the case and if so do you kow whcih lenses are affected?
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2007, 07:31:30 am »

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I have read that some lenses will not focus to infinity with the flexbody..is this the case and if so do you kow whcih lenses are affected?
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I haven't met this problem yet but I only have the thing for a couple of weeks now so it doesn't mean it is not there. I just have not yet encountered it maybe I will not. Sofar I am really impressed even with the somewhat akward way of working. I use the 60/3.5, 100/3.5 and the 150/4.0 (still saving for at least the 120macro and the 180/4).

It might very well be the case that the bellows cannot be made as small as needed to retain infinity focus however it doesn't seem to have more depth than the body of my 503.

I will take the thing outside the coming weeks and have a closer look and come back on it.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2007, 10:21:45 am »

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It might very well be the case that the bellows cannot be made as small as needed to retain infinity focus however it doesn't seem to have more depth than the body of my 503.
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I asked this very thing with the Australian shop because I wanted to modify a kapturegroup sliding back to attach to a flexbody. Having to take the digital back on and off the flexbody just made me nervous. They told me that when the bellows is fully compressed it allows for infinity focus - so it's the same 'depth' as the regular V body. Too bad really. I guess you could mount a large format lens on a recessed mount of some sort.

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2007, 11:15:43 am »

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the suggestions.
I am going to stick with the ebony route for now..swapping my SW45 for the more compact SW23 as soon as I come across a used one.

When taking into account in order of importance:
1.Cameras ability to do what I need...ie tilt and swing that really rules out most of the possible competition including the upcoming arca r.
2.lens options
3.size, weight.
4.and of course cost..

This seems like the best option available now..it also leaves me a lot of money for my film, processing, scaning and even the posibility of an older db.

Thanks again for all your help and you'll be able to see the start of the results on my website in a few months time.

Marc

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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2007, 02:57:10 am »

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Hello,

I am starting a new project that requires very selective focussing that can be gained from using both tilt and shift at the same time on the lens.
No need for slr focussing or other mod cons like bulit in metering, etc.

I will be starting with film but, depending, on how things go may end up using a db also (one of the older 16mp non cf cards backs using an image bank, etc.)

I currently use an ebony sw45 and could continue to use this with a 67 roll film back but am really looking for something more compact.

There is the 23 version of the above ebony..the same camera but a bit more compact.

The hasselblad flexbody which could be ideal but I think it only has tilt in one plane, either horizontal or vertical if I rotate the camera, but not both at the same time.

A tiltshift lens like a hartblei on an mf camera (older mamiya, etc)

Any other possibilities people can think of?

It needs to be light so if an mf slr then a 500 series haselblad would be ideal but there are no tiltshift lenses for it...I think?

Also image quality wise although I have in the past regularly printed up to 1 meter wide / square from hasselblad bodies / lenses I'm not sure about the image quality at that size from hartblei lenses, etc.

I believe that although large format lenses are of lower resolution to mf counterparts the larger size of film (67) will compensate for that if the ebony is the route to stick with / go.

As this is not critical architectural work but selective focus landscape etc images are there any reasons a db would not work with these type of camera.

And finally..although I know that the older leaf valeo and imacon baks can work with an image bank or similar, so not tethered to a laptop, is it the same for the older phase one H20?
Thanks for all the help!

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There's always something like the Linhof Technikardan S 23, light compact etc
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2007, 04:40:33 am »

In an earlier post I mentioned I would get back to the infinity focus issue. I found the Flexbody does focus to infinity without problems (at least with the 60, 100 and 150 is does).

The bellows doesn't even have to be completely compressed. It needs to be out a couple of mm's. I cannot say whether it is enought to fit the Flexbody with a sliding adapter. My guess is that it can but it will require some real craftmanship to get it on properly.
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