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mbridgers

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« on: March 28, 2007, 04:12:13 pm »

An interesting new pocket camera from Ricoh:
GX-100

24-72mm equivalent lens, RAW (DNG) and JPG, external EVF option, and sensor-based stabilization.

And more:
Ricoh site
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 08:37:04 pm »

Based on the spec, this is by far the most interesting compact digital camera ever released IMHO.

It's high on my spring shopping list.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 09:30:59 am »

It also seems relatively reasonably priced. If the initial reviews are favorable I think a lot of us with give it a shot for casual walkabout shooting.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 09:49:13 am »

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But if it has the same lousy RAW performance as the GR1-D, it's also useless.
The GR1-D was nearly my ideal pocket camera, but up to 14secs to write a RAW file, duh!  
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 09:52:02 am »

Actually a full frame or larger sensor would be evenmore ideal. I like shallow Dof F
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 10:14:22 am »

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Actually a full frame or larger sensor would be evenmore ideal. I like shallow Dof F
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I'm with you there. It supposedly has this beautiful 7-blade shutter. Why not exploit it?

Full frame and f/2.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 10:36:57 am »

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But if it has the same lousy RAW performance as the GR1-D, it's also useless.
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Yep, that would be a serious annoyance for most people.

If you look at it like a tiny 4x5 camera with a built in tripod, then 14 sec isn't so bad though. That's about the time it takes to change Quickloads...

I could probably deal with a limited raw buffer if the rest is right on.

We'll find out in 3 weeks I guess.

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 01:36:37 pm »

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If you look at it like a tiny 4x5 camera with a built in tripod, then 14 sec isn't so bad though. That's about the time it takes to change Quickloads...
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That's one way of looking at it, though if I want the speed of a 5x4 camera, I'll use a 5x4 and have near zero deth of field too, not to mention quality many leagues better.  
Oddly enough the two sorts of camera I fancy most are an XA sized, 35mm quality digital compact, f2 24mm lens and a wooden 5x4!
Though a 5D the size of My OM4ti would be very cool too. Or even a 5D with a viewfinder as big as the OM4, which is about half the size!
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 02:24:52 pm »

How well do the sensor stablising thingies on these P&S cameras work? I would love to be able to be interested in it but 10 megapixels on that tiny sensor isn't worth my hassle. The DR is probably horrible..
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 11:50:00 pm »

i'm afraid that like their wide-angle camera it will have poor high-ISO performance

if a mfg had the guts to make a really good compact wide or wide-medium camera i would pay nearly Leica money for it
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 11:57:45 pm »

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i'm afraid that like their wide-angle camera it will have poor high-ISO performance

if a mfg had the guts to make a really good compact wide or wide-medium camera i would pay nearly Leica money for it
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I think you won't be alone there.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2007, 05:26:44 am »

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i'm afraid that like their wide-angle camera it will have poor high-ISO performance

if a mfg had the guts to make a really good compact wide or wide-medium camera i would pay nearly Leica money for it
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It really depends on what your expectations are. Canon 5D class noise in a super compact package is simply not achievable with today's technology.

You are probably better off buying a Nikon D40. It seems to offer the best high ISO pixel quality per gram.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2007, 11:14:42 am »

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i'm afraid that like their wide-angle camera it will have poor high-ISO performance

if a mfg had the guts to make a really good compact wide or wide-medium camera i would pay nearly Leica money for it
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Sigma DP1, it will be out in a month or two.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2007, 12:44:45 pm »

Sigma DP-1, too slow a lens, too wide a lens, too big a package with the hood and finder, certainly too expensive (IMO).
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2007, 03:39:07 pm »

I would have suggested Canon G7 if it had RAW and a OVF which would be aligned correctly and without the 80% tunnel vision. So, Leica M8 then?
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2007, 04:14:43 pm »

I wish! Problem for me is that my manual focus is awful due to a slight problem with my right eye that reduces contrast making precise focusing a nightmare.

Oh and the cost!
   
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2007, 12:55:32 am »

It looks like a GRD with a zoom lens. Actually, a very interesting zoom lens, starting at 24mm equivalent.

I used to have a GRD, it was very good ergonomically, but the RAW writing time was annoying. I could live with it when shooting off a tripod and doing IR, or landscapes, but for "normal" shooting, it wouldn't do.

I hope Ricoh has improved that aspect with this really interesting camera. I am also very curious about what the new GRD will look like; perhaps this GX100 is a show case for some of the innovations that will be implemented.

All in all, it is nice to see that Ricoh are still commited to build these interesting cameras. It would be nice to see other companies do the same; Sigma will release the DP1.

How about Leica releasing a digital version of the CM, or Fuji releasing a digital version of their Klasse W or S?

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2007, 10:15:10 am »

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Why is that so?  My little Olympus XA did nicely with a full size 35mm film frame.  And I still have a Pentax 28-90 zoom 35mm compact that's reasonably small.

What keeps a manufacturer from dropping a FF sensor, or even a 1.3x or 1.6x sensor, into a compact body like that?  Surely the associated electronics aren't so bulky?

This is something I've long been curious about.

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2007, 12:44:17 pm »

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24-72mm equivalent lens, RAW (DNG) and JPG, external EVF option, and sensor-based stabilization.

I think a sensor-shifting stabilization could be an advantage, when it comes to interchangeable lenses and where the "interchanged" lenses don't come with IS.

In fact for a fixed lens camera, it is actually a disadvantage over a true Optically stabilized version, since the sensor shifting mechanism will not stabilize the image in the viewfinder...your viewfinder image will still be shaky !!  When implemented in a fixed lens camera, it is a cheap alternative to a good optically stabilized system.

The question is, is the Ricoh an interchangeable lens camera or is it a fixed lens camera ?
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2007, 07:14:16 pm »

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In fact for a fixed lens camera, it is actually a disadvantage over a true Optically stabilized version, since the sensor shifting mechanism will not stabilize the image in the viewfinder...your viewfinder image will still be shaky !!  When implemented in a fixed lens camera, it is a cheap alternative to a good optically stabilized system.
You are kidding right?  
Or do you have shakey vision due to the DTs or something? It's not an SLR and even if it was it wouldn't matter as I don't use my retina to do the image capture.
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Again, you've got to be kidding!?
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