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« on: March 19, 2007, 10:46:13 am »

Dear all.

I just read in the forum of www.inkjetart.com that the optimal image input resolution for printing on the Epson 3800 is 360 ppi.

I typically print at 240 ppi (still working with a 6 MP camera), so i wonder if you recommend me to interpolate the image up to 360 ppi prior to printing?

Any advise or experience will be highly appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 10:51:17 am »

Miguel,

You will hear arguments both ways. The best thing for you to do is make the print both ways and trust your own eyes. A lot of times it depends on the detail content of the image and the final output size and viewing distance.

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 10:57:31 am »

the default screen for epson drivers is 360 dpi
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 11:20:26 am »

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What does this mean?

 Do you mean that the epson driver interpolates the image to 360 ppi prior to printing?

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 11:24:17 am »

yep, everything.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 11:34:29 am »

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yep, everything.
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So I guess it is useless to do the upres with Photoshop? unless he driver interpolates with lower quality than Photoshop ...

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 01:51:33 pm »

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So I guess it is useless to do the upres with Photoshop? unless he driver interpolates with lower quality than Photoshop ...

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That's what is said---that the driver interpolates with less quality than you will get doing it yourself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 02:03:27 pm »

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So I guess it is useless to do the upres with Photoshop? unless he driver interpolates with lower quality than Photoshop ...

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You can probably do better in Photoshop, most print drivers use a simple "nearest neighbor" algorithm for interpolation. But to my mind the more important issue is final print sharpening. Print sharpening should be the very last step after all other processing including interpolation. If you apply final print sharpening to a 240ppi image and then the driver takes that image and interpolates it up to 360ppi, that can have a detrimental affect on your print sharpening even if the print driver uses a high-quality interpolation algorithm. And the farther your image's ppi is off from 360, the more this becomes an issue. So it's best to interpolate to the resolution the printer expects and then apply your print sharpening. Of course if you're using QImage or some other RIP that applies final print sharpening, this may not be so much of an issue. I'm not a fan of QImage's sharpening though, so for large prints I disable it and do my own sharpening.

Some people will tell you this is extra work that offers no improvement on real-world prints. In my experience, that will be true for some images which will look the same either way. Some images, the effect might be noticeable if you look really closely; and for some others (admittedly a small percentage), the difference will be more readily noticeable.  To me, the easiest thing from a workflow standpoint is to always assume the worst and do the interpolation myself, rather than second-guessing the results after I've already committed paper and ink.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 02:08:05 pm »

Is the default ppi pubished as part of the printer specs? Is it called something else by them? This may be a stupid question but how does one find out this number?
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 02:15:49 pm »

If you use a round multiple of 360 (including 240 or 300), then the print driver interpolation is usually pretty good.  But as a matter of practice I have found "problems" on the occasional image, so I now size everything to 360 PPI before sending it to my Epson printers.  

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 02:16:52 pm »

See a detailed answer to your question here:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Ep...html#native_res

Executive summary (quoted from my own FAQ):

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Executive summary: If the "Finest Detail" driver setting is unchecked, the 3800's native resolution is 360 pixels per inch (ppi). If the "Finest Detail" driver setting is checked, the 3800's native resolution is 720 ppi. For most photographs, I recommend unchecking (disabling) the "Finest Detail" driver setting and preparing your final images at 360 ppi.

The actual number can be determined by querying the printer software driver (i.e., this is done in software, not something the user normally sees in the printer driver interface). Thanks to Mike Chaney (author of QImage) for verifying these numbers with me.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2007, 04:14:24 pm »

Eric:

Did not chase the link, but I was under the impression "Finest Detail" was specifically designed for rendering laser-sharp text and raphics and not recomoended by Epson for images since it also restricts the dithering algorithms -- ?

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 06:21:56 pm »

I also saw something in the 3800's documentation somewhere that indicated that "Finest Detail" is intended for printing text.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 07:29:20 pm »

Indeed it is the case that Finest Detail is intended to be used when you have text or other vector-based data. Office laser printers which are often used to print black text on white paper need to rasterize at higher resolutions otherwise the ragged edges of the text will be obvious (hence they are often 600 dpi or 1200 dpi). Thus when you turn on Finest Detail for the purposes of printing text or other vector-based stuff, the Epson driver rasterizes at 720x720.

(I understand you didn't follow the link, but the link does go into this with some detail.)  

My own tests show what I expected: that for photographic images there is nothing to be gained by sending your images to the driver at 720 ppi with Finest Detail enabled.

Hence my recommendation to print at 360 ppi with Finest Detail disabled.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 01:19:32 am »

Thanks to all for the information, very useful.

What is the best way to interpolate before printing into the Epson 3800 at 360 ppi?

Do you then use Photoshop Bicubic smooth in increases of 10% or other ways?

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2007, 11:08:43 am »

Miguel, there are as many answers to this question as there are photographers!    You will find past threads on this topic in the archives (try a search).
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2007, 01:30:43 pm »

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Thanks to all for the information, very useful.

What is the best way to interpolate before printing into the Epson 3800 at 360 ppi?

Do you then use Photoshop Bicubic smooth in increases of 10% or other ways?

Miguel
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You don't need to use the 10% steps with Bicubic Smoother. I've been using the technique described in this article with good results:

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