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« on: February 14, 2007, 12:17:52 pm »

Have anyone seen a review of the Hasselblad HC 100mm/2,2 lens - maybe in comparison with the 50-110mm zoom ?

I have the 100mm and have to decide whether to sell it and buy the 50-110 or keep it and buy the 50mm.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 03:58:20 pm »

I have both and compared them head to head.  I do not believe i saved the images but here are my conclusions.   First of all the 50-110 is much heavier and bigger. I compared using an aptus 65 back so I cannot comment on the  FF MF corners.  At F4-11, the image quality in regards to sharpness, contrast and color were virtually identical.  The 100mm at F2.2 gave much better bokeh and a nicer shallow DOF.  So these are the tradeoffs in my opinion.
I would also like to add that I like the zoom because when hiking and doing landscapes, the zoom stays on the camera 90 percent of the time. Mark

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Have anyone seen a review of the Hasselblad HC 100mm/2,2 lens - maybe in comparison with the 50-110mm zoom ?

I have the 100mm and have to decide whether to sell it and buy the 50-110 or keep it and buy the 50mm.

Bjorn
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 06:19:51 pm »

i also am deciding between the 100mm or the 50-110. I went to BH yesterday with H2/P25 and test both lenses. I do have 'in=store' files that I can post.

My conclusion was that the AF faster, boken being better and brightness of viewfinder with the 100mm.. made my decision.. 100mm

The 50-110 seemed to me a studio lens best on a sturdy tripod, and the 100mm more all around.

Can someone else post their opinions of both...

What is a good well rounded kit... 35mm 100mm and 120mm? or 35, 50-110, etc..??
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 06:58:00 pm »

My kit is 35mm, 50-110, 120 macro, 100mm, and 210mm with 1.7x.  I do a fair bit of macro though.

I agree the AF is faster on the 100mm but in general I do not use the medium format system where i need to hit a quickly moving object.  i agree the 50-110 is more of a tripod lens but again I use my hassy on a tripod 98% of the time.  Mark


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i also am deciding between the 100mm or the 50-110. I went to BH yesterday with H2/P25 and test both lenses. I do have 'in=store' files that I can post.

My conclusion was that the AF faster, boken being better and brightness of viewfinder with the 100mm.. made my decision.. 100mm

The 50-110 seemed to me a studio lens best on a sturdy tripod, and the 100mm more all around.

Can someone else post their opinions of both...

What is a good well rounded kit... 35mm 100mm and 120mm? or 35, 50-110, etc..??
extension tubes

-p
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 08:48:45 am »

I bought the zoom, put it on the camera, found it so heavy that I sold it and went with primes.
I know uses 35,50,80,100,150 etc,.

The 100 is really sharp and bright, 50 is also very, sharp.

I am selling an extra 50 also if anyone is interested.
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Have anyone seen a review of the Hasselblad HC 100mm/2,2 lens - maybe in comparison with the 50-110mm zoom ?

I have the 100mm and have to decide whether to sell it and buy the 50-110 or keep it and buy the 50mm.

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 09:09:55 am »

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I bought the zoom, put it on the camera, found it so heavy that I sold it and went with primes.
I know uses 35,50,80,100,150 etc,.

The 100 is really sharp and bright, 50 is also very, sharp.

I am selling an extra 50 also if anyone is interested.
Stephen
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I will have my 100/2.2 and 50-110 deliver in 1-2 week with my H3D39 and I can run a quick test for you. But from my experience in using P45 on Contax 645 with all my Zeiss lenses, the 45-90 zoom is clearly as good as any fixed focal length lens, center to corner, at same f stop. I will beleive the similar on Hasselblad. The difference between using the zoon and fixed focal length in my point of view is usng zoom, the photographer has more freedom to use varies focal range and dustance between shooter and the object, therefore, using creatively, the result is more versatile. Using prime, I think the photographer focus more on the subject with more concentration, but of course it is base on each one's shooting style.
For bokeh, it can be very subjective, but in the day of high end digital capture, the sense of depth is somewhat different since suddenly everyone can view the picture at 100% and can clear see what's in focus and what's not, and eventually shoot at smaller aparture, and somewhat wider lenses.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 11:37:13 am »

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My kit is 35mm, 50-110, 120 macro, 100mm, and 210mm with 1.7x.  I do a fair bit of macro though.
Mark,

How does the 120mm compare in bokeh and sharpness with the 100mm? Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 12:12:43 pm »

At close up distances (e.g. 5 feet or less), the macro is superior in both counts.  However, at greater distances (and my 5 feet is only an approx estimation as i have not quantified it that carefully), the 100mm is sharper and with f2.2 you can get a much nicer shallow DOF.  ONe thing i have not tried yet is to use my extension tubes on the 100mm to see if i can recapitulate the shorter distance images obtainable with the macro. HOwever, I have used the extension tubes on the 120mm macro to  get great than 1:1 magnification.  So the macro for me is a keeper.  I want to compare the 100 to 150 but right now no money.  Mark


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How does the 120mm compare in bokeh and sharpness with the 100mm? Thanks.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 02:28:39 pm »

OK, interesting posts.
I have an offer for a used 50-110mm for about $ 2700, and when I trade in my 100mm I will have to pay $ 1500 to get the 50-110. (That means selling the 100mm for about $ 1200).

I am selling the 100mm because I think the zoom will  stay on the camera for most work. But I haver never had a 50-110 in my hands, so dont know how big and heavy it is.

Since I always shoot with a tripod I don't think that this will be a problem.

My next lens will be the 35mm, because 40mm was my most used lens on Hasselblad V.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 03:24:58 pm »

The used 100mm are going for more than 1200 at least in the USA assuming there are no problems with it.  Also, I would state that some of the older 50-110mm lenses had some issue with the front element falling off.  Micheal R.  has posted on this some time ago.  Just so you are fully informed

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OK, interesting posts.
I have an offer for a used 50-110mm for about $ 2700, and when I trade in my 100mm I will have to pay $ 1500 to get the 50-110. (That means selling the 100mm for about $ 1200).

I am selling the 100mm because I think the zoom will  stay on the camera for most work. But I haver never had a 50-110 in my hands, so dont know how big and heavy it is.

Since I always shoot with a tripod I don't think that this will be a problem.

My next lens will be the 35mm, because 40mm was my most used lens on Hasselblad V.

B
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007, 08:38:16 pm »

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At close up distances (e.g. 5 feet or less), the macro is superior in both counts.  However, at greater distances (and my 5 feet is only an approx estimation as i have not quantified it that carefully), the 100mm is sharper and with f2.2 you can get a much nicer shallow DOF.  ONe thing i have not tried yet is to use my extension tubes on the 100mm to see if i can recapitulate the shorter distance images obtainable with the macro. HOwever, I have used the extension tubes on the 120mm macro to  get great than 1:1 magnification.  So the macro for me is a keeper.  I want to compare the 100 to 150 but right now no money.  Mark
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 07:56:07 am »

The 100/2.2 is one of my favorite lenses. It's kind of like a 180mm or 210mm on 4x5 or a 60mm on 35. Wide open it's really beautiful up close and while the effect diminishes as you back off, I still find it to have a great perspective. I gave some though to the 50-110 and the weight didn't bother me a bit even shooting handheld, but sharpness (though I only tested one 50-110) wasn't on par with the 50, 80 an 100 primes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 11:27:31 am »

Brian when you tested the 50-110 were you doing this handheld?  In my opinion it is really hard to get the most from the lens in regards to sharpness unless this big lens is on a trpod.  Mark

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The 100/2.2 is one of my favorite lenses. It's kind of like a 180mm or 210mm on 4x5 or a 60mm on 35. Wide open it's really beautiful up close and while the effect diminishes as you back off, I still find it to have a great perspective. I gave some though to the 50-110 and the weight didn't bother me a bit even shooting handheld, but sharpness (though I only tested one 50-110) wasn't on par with the 50, 80 an 100 primes.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 01:03:29 pm »

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Brian when you tested the 50-110 were you doing this handheld?  In my opinion it is really hard to get the most from the lens in regards to sharpness unless this big lens is on a trpod.  Mark
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2007, 03:55:54 pm »

I did read that article some time ago and i appreciate the reminder.  There was some differences of opinion on the order of the lens optics were slightly different. For example Bill Atkins concluded his hassy 50-110 was better than his 120macro and 80mm primes.  
However, remember that there were a number of variables between the users and looking at the comparisons, I think some of the differences were so subtle, I just wonder how much real world difference they would make. There are two other points.  I believe the hassy 120mm macro is outstanding and superior to the other hassy lenses in this focal range until you move more than 5 to 6 feet back. The other point is the fact that the tests were done at f11.  THe mamiya zoom I have been told really improves between f8 and 11 compared to the more wide open apertures although i have never used myself.  In my opinion, the hasselblad lenses are very good wide open with subtle improvements at one stop or half stop greater than the widest aperture.  Therefore,  I would have been interested to see the results at the other apertures.

Nonetheless, I think the Hassy zoom is the best optical zoom lens I have ever used.  Mark

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