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« on: February 06, 2007, 06:16:12 pm »

Just an FYI for those considering a new MFDB. Have had my Phase One P30 back for about 10 days now and have had 6 editorial shoots with it tethered to my old Mac 15" 1.5 gig with 2 gigs of ram. All I can say it is close to flawless! When I looked for unretouched images from the P30 before I bought there were none to be found. I'm going to post some from recent shoots straight out of the camera, no levels set only down size from 182mb to 10mb for uploading. WB was set with color checker during shoot. The images out of the camera really don't need any post processing, but of course we all do it anyway!!!
Hope these help some of you out there.

P.S. We've all seen images from James Russell's P30, but to me those are not "Real World" images, because he isn't a "Real World" photographer! I only dream of shooting or even assisting on the stuff he does.

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Ben Edmonson
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2007, 06:50:20 pm »

Pity they are JPEGs. There are some bad artefacts.

Which camera/lenses did you use?
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2007, 06:55:53 pm »

Hi Ben,

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REGARDS
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 06:56:04 pm »

I shoot a Contax 645, the first three are the 140mm which I'm growing to love, and the third was the 80mm which I'm finding is a great all around lens. Never have really used a normal lens in the past, but the 80mm with the P30's crop factor is great for a lot of shots.
As for the artifacts, I know the jpeg compression for the web is bad, but they still look very good on my monitor. I'm not seeing the artifacts, am I not looking close enough??? You're monitor may be more detailed than my Apple LCD. I will admit that they don't look anything close as the TIFF's do at 16 bit 182 mb on my monitor, they are freaking mind blowing!!!

Cheers,

Ben

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Pity they are JPEGs. There are some bad artefacts.

Which camera/lenses did you use?
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2007, 07:05:52 pm »

Images look good. Don't get me wrong

Have a look at the black pants in the first shot. See the posterization?

I wish JPEG2000 would replace JPEG. It's a big improvement, it's available, but no-one uses it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2007, 07:18:10 pm »

The true test is in the images I'm processing right now from yesterdays photoshoot. Shot an entire collection of cashmere sweaters on a mannequin for the web. Have found no moire yet! Will post some when done.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 07:27:50 pm »

The P-30 is specially designed for fashion.
Moire is not there,because the sensor has micro-prisms.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 07:40:08 pm »

I just didn't believe the no Moire thing until I saw it, it's great. I used to spend nights removing it from my 1Ds II images. Here is the sample of the cashmere I shot yesterday, no post at all, just a small bit of sharpening.
I'm off the drink my bourbon, it's starting to sweat as I type.

Later,

Ben Edmonson
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The P-30 is specially designed for fashion.
Moire is not there,because the sensor has micro-prisms.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 07:41:07 pm »

I just didn't believe the no Moire thing until I saw it, it's great. I used to spend nights removing it from my 1Ds II images. Here is the sample of the cashmere I shot yesterday, no post at all, just a small bit of sharpening.
I'm off the drink my bourbon, it's starting to sweat as I type.

Later,

Ben Edmonson
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The P-30 is specially designed for fashion.
Moire is not there,because the sensor has micro-prisms.
Cheers,
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2007, 07:50:11 pm »

Certainly great quality files!
Cheers,
Willem.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2007, 08:46:32 pm »

Not to toot my own tooter, but additional real-world P30 shots are included in my P30 review for this site:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...%20review.shtml

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2007, 11:41:26 pm »

Sorry William, but I thought they were most likely retouched and also very small. When I was thinking of purchasing the P30 I read your review several times, but not being able to enlarge the images was a problem. With the images I posted you can enlarge them the 30-40 inches at 72 dpi. Just wanting to help people make an educated buying decision by displaying real world large files.

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Not to toot my own tooter, but additional real-world P30 shots are included in my P30 review for this site:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...%20review.shtml
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 01:58:13 am »

Thanks for posting them Ben, looks like a good back..

How about wide shots, any problems getting a good DPS with the Contax and the crop factor ?
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 02:41:34 am »

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Sorry William, but I thought they were most likely retouched and also very small. When I was thinking of purchasing the P30 I read your review several times, but not being able to enlarge the images was a problem. With the images I posted you can enlarge them the 30-40 inches at 72 dpi. Just wanting to help people make an educated buying decision by displaying real world large files.
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Very true.

REGARDS
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 06:46:11 am »

Here is another unretouched P30 picture.

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It is no moire on this picture, but I have moire from time to time.
So P30 is not moire free!
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2007, 10:00:04 am »

Oh, no offense taken!  I just wanted more people to read my review.  :-)  And you're right, the JPEGs in the review are of necessity very small.

A large unretouched P30 shot is attached to this post.



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Sorry William, but I thought they were most likely retouched and also very small. When I was thinking of purchasing the P30 I read your review several times, but not being able to enlarge the images was a problem. With the images I posted you can enlarge them the 30-40 inches at 72 dpi. Just wanting to help people make an educated buying decision by displaying real world large files.

Regards,

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 11:16:01 am »

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Here is another unretouched P30 picture.

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It is no moire on this picture, but I have moire from time to time.
So P30 is not moire free!
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Hmmm - knee surgery. Football injury?  
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 11:21:39 am »

William, that's a terrific portrait. One thing I notice with these backs, though, is that the results can be made so large, with such fidelity, that it seems like you're standing two inches from the subject and staring at him/her. That's not always the most flattering distance: you start to notice little wrinkles and complexion flaws, not because they're especially bad, but because you usually can't or don't see them, either in real life or in other less-highly-resolved photos. In  other words, these backs can show you more than you can normally see, and sometimes, more than you really want to see.

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 12:02:38 pm »

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Images look good. Don't get me wrong

Have a look at the black pants in the first shot. See the posterization?

I wish JPEG2000 would replace JPEG. It's a big improvement, it's available, but no-one uses it.
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Graham

You surely have good eyes BUT it seem strange you notice artifacts / posterization in Bens P30 images and post images from your own Sinar e22 back with much much more artifacts in another thread ?


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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 12:26:10 pm »

Thanks, John!  I am also beginning to notice that these medium format backs do really show every tiny flaw, especially with (1) good lenses and (2) any kind of side lighting.  The woman in that portrait really appears, in person, to have flawless skin.  In my normal retouching, I can smooth it out so that the minor defects revealed by the back's resolving power aren't obvious in the final image.

Relatedly, I just got the 120mm Makro for the Contax 645.  I used to have one quite a while ago and remember how wicked sharp it was with film; I'm a little afraid as to how much detail it would resolve with the P30 in a tight headshot.  So I'll likely not use it for tight headshots at all.

Oh, in case anyone's wondering, the color cast in that shot is intentional.  It looks better on my Mac than the PC at work I'm looking at now, though.


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William, that's a terrific portrait. One thing I notice with these backs, though, is that the results can be made so large, with such fidelity, that it seems like you're standing two inches from the subject and staring at him/her. That's not always the most flattering distance: you start to notice little wrinkles and complexion flaws, not because they're especially bad, but because you usually can't or don't see them, either in real life or in other less-highly-resolved photos. In  other words, these backs can show you more than you can normally see, and sometimes, more than you really want to see.

JC
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