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« on: November 26, 2006, 06:29:38 am »

For a brief moment, Microsoft made Windows Vista RC1 (Release Candidate 1) available to download for free. I was curious if anyone out there is running this and how the new 64-bit OS is performing with Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom.

Please share your experiences.

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 08:36:05 am »

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For a brief moment, Microsoft made Windows Vista RC1 (Release Candidate 1) available to download for free. I was curious if anyone out there is running this and how the new 64-bit OS is performing with Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom.

Please share your experiences.

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As shown by the recent thread on this forum concerned with Vista and PKSharpener, Vista is available to software developers subscribing to MSDN. The plugin does not work with Vista. Anyone who uses Vista on a system used to perform work or make money may be for some nasty surprises. I don't plan to upgrade until Vista has been out for a few weeks.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 10:31:33 am »

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As shown by the recent thread on this forum concerned with Vista and PKSharpener, Vista is available to software developers subscribing to MSDN. The plugin does not work with Vista. Bill
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Actually it does run.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 03:22:15 am »

Andrew is correct, it does run. See the other thread for details about how to do it.

What do you want to know about Vista? I'll generalize and tell you that CS2 seems to run
fine, and pretty fast allthou its not a fair comparison because my XP installation is quite old and I have more background processes running.

Lightroom B4 seems slower to me, by quite a bit for whatever reason.

Ask if you'd like specifics
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 03:44:01 pm »

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Actually it does run.
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Yes, and I should revise my initial assertion to "does not run properly in Vista"  because one must run it under administrator user privilege rather than as a limited user. Running as administrator opens up the system to viruses and is not recommended.

As previously stated, the problem seems to be with the user key needed to run PK. The added security layers of Vista do not allow PK to run as a limited user. Apparently, the access to the registry entry for the user validation is not granted to limited users. This has been discussed recently and there is no need to belabor the point.

However, the point of my post was that most software is not supported for a beta operating system and it is best to wait until the OS is officially released.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 04:07:53 pm »

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If one were to check that thread, one would find that the OP was using Vista RC2, not the final GM release version of Vista, and since Mr. bjanes has stated he's -NOT- using Vista (either RC 1 or 2 nor GM), what Mr. bjanes writes is pure speculation on his part and is thus not particularly useful.

PixelGenius (in fact, ME) has written:
"we will fully support Vista when it is released in final commercial form. If we need to do a free update to make it compatible for Photoshop running under Vista, we will do so. If customers contact PG Tech support, we will try to address their issues...but since Vista is a BETA OS, we do not officially support it at this time."
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 04:38:37 pm »

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Running as administrator opens up the system to viruses...
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IOW, it runs like current shipping versions of Windows? Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 04:53:30 pm »

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If one were to check that thread, one would find that the OP was using Vista RC2, not the final GM release version of Vista, and since Mr. bjanes has stated he's -NOT- using Vista (either RC 1 or 2 nor GM), what Mr. bjanes writes is pure speculation on his part and is thus not particularly useful.

PixelGenius (in fact, ME) has written:
"we will fully support Vista when it is released in final commercial form. If we need to do a free update to make it compatible for Photoshop running under Vista, we will do so. If customers contact PG Tech support, we will try to address their issues...but since Vista is a BETA OS, we do not officially support it at this time."
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My comment may not be particularly useful, but it is more useful than your comments which are totally useless to anyone who wants to know how PK runs with the versions of Vista that are currently out there.   .

I can' understand why Mr. Schewe is so antagonistic to his customers.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 08:06:48 pm »

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I can' understand why Mr. Schewe is so antagonistic to his customers.
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It ain't my customers, it's you bud...you've been singlularly antagonistic to me, much like you are to Ramón on the Adobe Forums...seems you have a habit of that sort of thing.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 08:19:20 pm »

Would anyone care for a Xanax?  
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 08:50:47 pm »

Or a nice prozac?
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 09:28:57 pm »

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Or a nice prozac?
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Or a stiff vodka on the rocks. I guess I am too much like Mr. Schewe (or Ramon): when someone is nasty to me, I shove it right back to them, just like Jeff did in his Compuserve days. Sometimes, one learns in the process and reads up on the subject or is corrected by another forum member.

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 10:03:32 pm »

Yes!  Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom run *great* on Vista.  

My current test platform is side by side install on my home server, a Dell Dual Xeon PowerEdge w/8GB Ram, normally running Windows Server 2003 SP1.  Note that Vista's codebase is much closer to Windows Server 2003 than Windows XP.

There are some anomally's that I would attribute to hardware - my SCSI drive controller uses a 256MB battery backed up cache, Import's from external media in Lightroom fail, however manually bringing in images, then using import by reference in Lightroom works just fine.

I have yet to install plug-ins, but photoshop itself activated just fine.  I've been told by someone at MS that the vast majority of software "activation" schemes are actually made by a handfull of 3rd party makers (we use LogicProtect) - these are all completely supported in Windows Vista by a mechanism known as "shims".

Printing is problematic, I have yet to get an HP Color Laserjet working correctly, ask your current printer maker for updated drivers.  I've told Canon I will defer my printer purchase until they ship a 64bit Vista driver (I don't expect *any* answer from them until at least Jan 30th 2007
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 10:22:02 pm »

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Yes!  Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom run *great* on Vista. 

My current test platform is side by side install on my home server, a Dell Dual Xeon PowerEdge w/8GB Ram, normally running Windows Server 2003 SP1.  Note that Vista's codebase is much closer to Windows Server 2003 than Windows XP.

I have yet to install plug-ins, but photoshop itself activated just fine.  I've been told by someone at MS that the vast majority of software "activation" schemes are actually made by a handfull of 3rd party makers (we use LogicProtect) - these are all completely supported in Windows Vista by a mechanism known as "shims".

Printing is problematic, I have yet to get an HP Color Laserjet working correctly, ask your current printer maker for updated drivers.  I've told Canon I will defer my printer purchase until they ship a 64bit Vista driver (I don't expect *any* answer from them until at least Jan 30th 2007
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Joh,

That is valuable information. Thanks. Drivers can be problematic. I have a dual Xeon running XP pro and uploads from my compact flash card via USB2 would intermittently hang. The problem was finally traced to faulty drivers from Microsoft that exhibited such behavior with dual processors. After trying a couple of USB2 cards, I gave up and went to Firewire. No problems.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 03:17:22 am »

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Yes!  Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom run *great* on Vista. 

My current test platform is side by side install on my home server, a Dell Dual Xeon PowerEdge w/8GB Ram, normally running Windows Server 2003 SP1.  Note that Vista's codebase is much closer to Windows Server 2003 than Windows XP.

There are some anomally's that I would attribute to hardware - my SCSI drive controller uses a 256MB battery backed up cache, Import's from external media in Lightroom fail, however manually bringing in images, then using import by reference in Lightroom works just fine.

I have yet to install plug-ins, but photoshop itself activated just fine.  I've been told by someone at MS that the vast majority of software "activation" schemes are actually made by a handfull of 3rd party makers (we use LogicProtect) - these are all completely supported in Windows Vista by a mechanism known as "shims".

Printing is problematic, I have yet to get an HP Color Laserjet working correctly, ask your current printer maker for updated drivers.  I've told Canon I will defer my printer purchase until they ship a 64bit Vista driver (I don't expect *any* answer from them until at least Jan 30th 2007
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Joh, which build are you running? I'm running RC2.
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 03:29:36 am »

What about antivirus, firewall and color calibration software on a Vista platform?

I'm running a Dell Precision 470 workstation on WinXP Pro. It's a great tool for Photoshop, but I'm looking forward to the promised speed increase and features that Vista offers, but I'll wait until SP1 is released before upgrading my OS.

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 12:53:55 pm »

Vista has an excellent built in firewall that is now 2-way, monitoring outgoing as well as incoming traffic.  Of course, anyone with a broadband connection should also have the firewall component of their router/modem turned on.  Although I personally do not run AV software ( http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=368 ) at the client level (my mail server scans incoming email).  Grisoft's AVG ( http://grisoft.com/doc/1 ), Kaspersky ( http://usa.kaspersky-labs.com ) and Trend Micro's ( http://www.trendmicro.com ) software run fine, I have verified all three on a 32-bit RC2 install.  Despite their whining, McAfee and Symantic should have updated offerings in plenty of time.

I generally agree with waiting for SP1 to come out, but in the case of Vista, with it's lower attack surface, primarilly the result of User Account Control, and enforcing non-administrative user privileges, I would strongly recommend it to anyone with a mid-range or better machine purchased within the last year or so.

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 01:41:07 pm »

You must not be using it with other (non windows) machines.   Biggest piece of garbage foisted upon the world since windows me.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 02:32:13 pm »

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You must not be using it with other (non windows) machines.   Biggest piece of garbage foisted upon the world since windows me.
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I've been involved in the computer software/hardware industry since the mid 80's, building custom Intel 10Mhz 80286 machines and networking them using Novell Netware.  I currently develop database client software for Windows (95% + of the market) supporting several database back ends, including Linux, IBM AS-400, and Windows.  Much of my current infrastructure run on BSD and Linux including mail and av gateways.    My certifications include Cisco, Novell, and Microsoft.

I'll make you a deal - I'll *never* offer an uneducated opinion, nor will I *ever* assume anything about you - fair enough?
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 03:17:29 pm »

whatever
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