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... the hypocrisy of saying the investigation has gone on too long...

A minor detail: Gowdy did not have the legal power that a Special Counsel, like Mueller has.

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...his committee — a legislative committee — is powerless to obtain search warrants and coerce the physical surrender of evidence... Congress has no authority to conduct criminal investigations or to seize evidence... Congress has no power to seize the evidence the subpoena seeks or to indict the perjurious official... Congress has no standing to appear in court on behalf of the United States and to seek search warrants. Nor does it have a police force for the execution of warrants...

Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/03/dont-blame-gowdy-andrew-c-mccarthy/

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A minor detail: Gowdy did not have the legal power that a Special Counsel, like Mueller has.
Nor should he. That's why it's called a special counsel and it's supposed to be non partisan (unlike Gowdy), even if you believe the lie it's filled with 13 angry democrats. Like the FBI and other such bodies, both democrats and republicans should and do work there but they should do their work without their political views affecting their work. And yes, two FBI agents exchanged text messages showing supreme bias, but as yet, no evidence those two affected the yet to be provided outcome of the investigation. And yes, they should be removed and were removed from the case.
EVERYONE (and I can speak for everyone in this case) has some bias and beliefs. The differences should be if their personal bias affects work that is supposed to be impartial. If we don't believe that's possible, we are all doomed. 
None of this removes Gowdy's hypocrisy FWIW. Not when you consider how long his and Muellers investigations took/are taking and the importance of each!
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Colin Powell also used an unsecured email server during his tenure as Secretary of State.  While it was the subject of several Washington Post stories, this LINK should pass the "paywall test."

Colin didn't have a server with classified material on it, Alan. He had a computer that he used to communicate with others. I gather that in spite of your "scientific" background you don't understand what a server is. In any case I don't remember classified information being involved, and I can't find any reference to classified in this document. But Colin screwed up, and knew he screwed up. He didn't try to pretend he didn't.

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Colin didn't have a server with classified material on it, Alan. He had a computer that he used to communicate with others. I gather that in spite of your "scientific" background you don't understand what a server is. In any case I don't remember classified information being involved, and I can't find any reference to classified in this document. But Colin screwed up, and knew he screwed up. He didn't try to pretend he didn't.
Colin Powell told Clinton he bypassed official servers to email foreign leaders “without going through State Department servers”, a seven-year-old email exchange reveals.
Powell's statement came after a top Democrat released an email Powell sent Clinton in early 2009 describing his use of personal communication devices in State's secure executive suite despite warnings from security officials that such use could jeopardize classified information.

Sever, email from computer, what's the difference IF as indicated above, such use could jeopardize classified info? Answer, none.
Now how's Trump doing communicating without a secured cell phone?
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All email goes through a server of some description. It’s how email works. You send it from you computer and it goes to a server. Classified documents are supposed to go through a secure server. If Colin Sen a n email, which he did, he used a server.
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All email goes through a server of some description. It’s how email works. You send it from you computer and it goes to a server. Classified documents are supposed to go through a secure server. If Colin Sen a n email, which he did, he used a server.
All true expect when you use such a communication device inside the political unreality bubble which some here apparently are doing and more....  ;D
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Colin Powell told Clinton he bypassed official servers to email foreign leaders “without going through State Department servers”, a seven-year-old email exchange reveals.
Powell's statement came after a top Democrat released an email Powell sent Clinton in early 2009 describing his use of personal communication devices in State's secure executive suite despite warnings from security officials that such use could jeopardize classified information.

The document Alan linked to made it clear that Colin understood the danger. But it wasn't even close to the same thing as storing top secret, limited access material on an unsecured server in a john. That's a felony. Clear as day.

Oh, and since Hillary wasn't indicted and wasn't found not guilty as you seem to think she was, she's still not in the clear. History may yet catch up with her.

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Sever, email from computer, what's the difference IF as indicated above, such use could jeopardize classified info? Answer, none.

In other words, you haven't a clue what a server is -- especially one hidden in a john.

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The document Alan linked to made it clear that Colin understood the danger. But it wasn't even close to the same thing as storing top secret, limited access material on an unsecured server in a john. That's a felony. Clear as day.
Here is a more in depth article from The Guardian that goes over other practices by Colin Powell.  I am especially amused by this, "Powell has previously admitted using a laptop on a private line and sending notes to ambassadors and foreign ministers via personal email, according to a report by the state department’s inspector general."  Nothing better than using the telephone system in the good old days of modems.
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The document Alan linked to made it clear that Colin understood the danger. But it wasn't even close to the same thing as storing top secret, limited access material on an unsecured server in a john. That's a felony. Clear as day.
Perhaps to you. But then you're not a prosecutor are you? As such, you'll now tell us that the current powers to be agree with you (it's a felony as clear as day) but they are going to ignore all this. OR perhaps, your opinion is just that!
What's worse? That Colin didn't understand the 'dangers'?

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Oh, and since Hillary wasn't indicted and wasn't found not guilty as you seem to think she was, she's still not in the clear.
Yes, that's how I process facts unlike some here. IF differing facts are provided whereby someone in the administration/Gov finds evidence she should be indicated, I'll of course change my mind. And that's the difference between us. I no more believe Hillary is due for indictment, let alone jail as I do believe it's true for Trump or even Manafort, because thus far, there's no evidence. You've made up your mind (Lock her up) and I simply refuse to use the same premeditated thought process as you do. 
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Here is a more in depth article from The Guardian that goes over other practices by Colin Powell.  I am especially amused by this, "Powell has previously admitted using a laptop on a private line and sending notes to ambassadors and foreign ministers via personal email, according to a report by the state department’s inspector general."  Nothing better than using the telephone system in the good old days of modems.

That occurred to me too, Alan, but Colin was Secretary of State during George W's administration. I don't remember using modems during that period.

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I don't remember using modems during that period.
Therefore it must be impossible? George W entered office in 2001, 56K modems were introduced in 1998, so it's really not as inconceivable as you want us to believe (and some don't):
Meanwhile, how's that non secured cell phone of Trump working for you? I'll ask again.
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Perhaps to you. But then you're not a prosecutor are you?

No, Andrew, I'm not a prosecutor, though I've administered non-judicial punishment to a few people and carried out Article 32 investigations. But I spent 26 years in the Air Force, got a top secret clearance in my third year, and got an increase in that clearance to specific limited access stuff for the last of my three combat-zone tours. I'm quite familiar with the laws surrounding classified information. You obviously aren't.

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Therefore it must be impossible? George W entered office in 2001, 56K modems were introduced in 1998, so it's really not as inconceivable as you want us to believe (and some don't):
Meanwhile, how's that non secured cell phone of Trump working for you? I'll ask again.

Do you know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge?
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Do you know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge?
Moot.
It is interesting to see how people's "minds work":
I don't recall using a Modem when George W was president, therefore, it isn't possible that Colin used one therefore, a reference that he did is fake news (or untrue, or shouldn’t be accepted as shown).
Scientists made a new measurement detecting the lowest temperature on the planet, therefore there is no climate change (incorrectly called Global Warming).
I've never met anyone named Russ Lewis. Therefore he doesn't exist. Therefore anything written here by someone named Russ Lewis is fake news. 
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But I spent 26 years in the Air Force, got a top secret clearance in my third year, and got an increase in that clearance to specific limited access stuff for the last of my three combat-zone tours. I'm quite familiar with the laws surrounding classified information. You obviously aren't.
Fake news? OK, I will absolutely defer to your expertise about working in the Air Force. I have zero such experience. My wife holds a top secret clearance however (she works at LANL, behind the fence). I defer to her experience there too.
I haven't suggested you are not familiar with the laws surrounding classified info, only you are not familiar with the details of Hillary's case that dismisses what DOJ/FBI or whoever HAS decided, today and in the past, that she shouldn't be indicted. If you have evidence she should be indicted, you should contact the DOJ/FBI or whoever decides she should or shouldn’t be indicted.
I have no evidence Trump did anything wrong. If the time comes Mueller does, I have no reason not to believe him. If he finds him utterly innocent, I have no reason not to believe him.
BTW, if you really do exist, thank you for your service to this country.
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In other words, you don't know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge.

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Interesting progression. 

We went from mocking someone for accidentally putting his hat on backwards, which for all intents and purposes looks exacting the same from any angle except for a small brass detail, to the differences between Colin Powell and HRC email practices, something I thought we got past back in Nov. 2016.

Totally natural and logical to me. 
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In other words, you don't know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge.
In other words, it's moot. Which means off topic. Which means you're using this as a distraction because it appears:The absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.



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Interesting progression. 

We went from mocking someone for accidentally putting his hat on backwards, which for all intents and purposes looks exacting the same from any angle except for a small brass detail, to the differences between Colin Powell and HRC email practices, something I thought we go past back in Nov. 2016.
Well examine post #5, as to the origin of going OT (silly guy with silly hat) to HRC/Powell. It's the Coffee Corner, what else should we expect???
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In other words, you don't know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge.

Do you, Russ?  It doesn't seem like it based on what you seem to be implying in the related scenario.
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In other words, you don't know the difference between a modem and a digital bridge.

I have never seen a product called digital bridge, so I only assume that they are much bigger than a modem.
Searching for a definition of digital bridge, I didn't find any, but learned that all bridge cameras are digital. I also found several companies with Digital Bridge in their name.
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