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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 06:08:37 PM »

What question?
The one in the post prior to yours with the question mark. (looks like this:?).
Hint, it was what I believe to be a gold/bold face lie about wire tapping. Maybe I'm wrong, hence the question to you.
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 06:24:32 PM »

The one in the post prior to yours with the question mark. (looks like this:?).
Hint, it was what I believe to be a gold/bold face lie about wire tapping. Maybe I'm wrong, hence the question to you.
I already answered that question when I said your response proved my point.  And that is you're twisting his point.  Wire tapping is just one method of spying on someone.  He was spied on.  That was his point obvious to everyone except those who don't like Trump. 

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 06:28:16 PM »

So while there may not have been a tap with Obama listening in with earphones, obviously not what Trump meant, the point Trump made was the Obama administration was spying on him, which turned out to be true. 

Hum...where did you get that?

Indeed, Trump thought the Obama administration was "spying" on him...that's what Devin Nunes thinks. The FBI DID have a tap on the Russian ambassador (that's how Flynn got caught). Are you saying Grump called the ambassador?

Oh, maybe you mean that the Obama admin had the FBI embed a spy in Trump's campaign? That's what Devin Nunes thinks...turns out the FBI did have an informant talk to a couple of shady people like Carter Page and George Papadopoulos...but alas, that seems to not pan out either according to Obama supporter Trey Gowdy who thought the FBI did exactly what the American people thought they should do...(note, I was making a joke by calling Goudy an Obama supporter–did you catch that?)

Maybe you mean the FISA warrant the FBI got on Carter Page...the guy who has been trying to work with Russia sine 2013 but the Russians think he too stupid to be useful. Yes, the FBI did tap his phones–AFTER-he left the Trump campaign...but maybe Page called Trump and thus the FBI "tapped Trump's phones" after all? Is that what you mean? That's what Devin Nunes thinks...actually, I thinks Devin Nunes thinks anything Donny tells him to think regardless of whether or not it's true...

But you go right ahead believing Obama spied on Trump...
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 06:33:21 PM »

I already answered that question when I said your response proved my point.  And that is you're twisting his point.  Wire tapping is just one method of spying on someone.  He was spied on.  That was his point obvious to everyone except those who don't like Trump.
You don't wish to admit he wasn't wire tapped it seems.
There is NO evidence Obama wire tapped Trump. Trump said he was wire tapped. That's a lie. Unless you can provide some evidence.
Trump has told so many similar lies, it's difficult to keep track of the worst, that's up there. It's been reported to be 5 a day! If that's off by 50%, that's still a huge amount of lies. It makes it real hard for some of us to accept when he tells the truth.
He saw Muslims were cheering as the Twin Towers fell. Zero evidence of that.
MORE PEOPLE WATCHED THE INAUGURATION THAN EVER BEFORE- lie Zero evidence of that
HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BECAUSE OF FRAUD- lie-Zero evidence of that.
You say the Obama administration was spying on him. What makes you say that? The stuff about Clapper has, like many of the lies, been shown to be false.
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 06:33:45 PM »

Informant...spy... potato, potahto.

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2018, 06:36:29 PM »

Time, Newsweek, HuffPo, and a long list of others have become nothing more than propaganda outlets (similar to Breitbart, Savage Nations, etc.)  Their intent is to inflame & deceive, not inform.  Until recently I tried to use two main sources of news (NPR & FoxNews) to get a balanced view of issues, but even those two are becomming more biased rather than informing me with straight facts and letting me make up my own mind.  It is the media that is driving the polarization in this country.  People are more divided than at any other time I can remember, and I was in high school during the late 1960s.  When I was growing up it was OK to have a different opinion than someone else, but now if you have a different opinion those with another one try to destroy you.  Take a look at what's happening on college campii.  If the radicals don't like a speaker, not only do they not want to hear it, they don't want YOU to hear it either.  They will use violence to stop it.  This is Fascism pure and simple.  Most of the media is now ideologically driven and anything but neutral.  Ever hear real criticism of Obama's failings?  Rarely, and quickly dropped.  Ever hear of any of Trump's success?  Never, except on FoxNews and on rare occasions NPR.  Most of the rest of the media seems to have become Pravda and Izvestia.  This is very, very dangerous for a democracy.  Despite a diligent search I'm unable to find an organization that will give me the straight story.  Lies and calculated deception flow freely, and the population seems to be losing its ability to do its own critical thinking.  Meanwhile, we arm ourselves because of the increasing distrust.  No one seems willing to step up and diffuse things.  This may not end well.


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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2018, 06:38:32 PM »

You don't wish to admit he wasn't wire tapped it seems.
There is NO evidence Obama wire tapped Trump. Trump said he was wire tapped. That's a lie...

Alan just explained, patiently, twice, that he understood Trump words metaphorically, not literally, and yet, you insist, repeatedly, on the literal meaning. Do you understand the difference between those two concepts?

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2018, 06:40:12 PM »

Until recently I tried to use two main sources of news (NPR & FoxNews) to get a balanced view of issues, but even those two are becomming more biased rather than informing me with straight facts and letting me make up my own mind.
Two sources, that's a problem.
It's OK to have different opinions. It isn't to have different facts. I've asked Alan for facts. I'm not seeing any (yet).
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This is very, very dangerous for a democracy.
More dangerous than the President attacking the news media because he doesn't like what they write?
He doesn't have enough members of his own party to attack?
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Meanwhile, we arm ourselves because of the increasing distrust.
Verify, then trust.
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2018, 06:45:02 PM »

Alan just explained, patiently, twice, that he understood Trump words metaphorically, not literally, and yet, you insist, repeatedly, on the literal meaning.
Another outstanding excuse; I've got to start writing them all down.
I know more about photography than all the photographers (I know more about Isis than all the generals).
Of course you shouldn’t take that statement literally! I metaphorically know more about photography than all of you guys. Believe me (another statement Trump makes all the time).
Your idea that Trumps lies are simply metaphorically induced and not literal, or 'he's just joking' makes perfect sense if you suspend all rational thought.
Of course, when your side says Obama lied or anyone with the last name Clinton, you do realize these are all statements that are not to be taken literally, they should be taken as metaphorically.

How do you guys come up with this stuff.  (question mark removed for obvious reasons based on posting history here)  :'(
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2018, 06:54:10 PM »

Obama was/is eloquent, professorial, oratorial, carefully weighing every word. Therefore, it is easier to take him at his word and not metaphorically.

Trump's speech is far from eloquent, far from professorial, far from oratorial, and is not carefully weighing every word. On the contrary, he speaks in hyperboles, boasting, bragging, joking, simplistically, simple sentences and simple words... and thus connects with his audience far better than Obama and annoys the elite far more than Obama.

One was growing in academia, the other on constructions sites. You can not apply the same metrics in analyzing words of those two guys.

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2018, 07:04:12 PM »

Alan just explained, patiently, twice, that he understood Trump words metaphorically, not literally, and yet, you insist, repeatedly, on the literal meaning. Do you understand the difference between those two concepts?
Metaphor.  That's the word.  Thanks. 
"a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable"

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2018, 07:07:27 PM »

Obama was/is eloquent, professorial, oratorial, carefully weighing every word. Therefore, it is easier to take him at his word and not metaphorically.
He lied far, far FAR less than Trump.
You seem to be suggesting Trump has none of those attributes of Obama, has difficulty forming sentences, and he's not lying. Rubbish. He lied big time most of the time he is on record.
You've made my point about Trump, thanks! 
But man, what a great deal maker... NOT.   
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One was growing in academia, the other on constructions sites.
Yes, some people shouldn’t be President, they don't have the skills, knowledge, temperament, communications skills, ability to concentrate instead of watching TV, honesty etc.

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2018, 07:23:46 PM »

Metaphor.  That's the word.  Thanks. 
"a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable"
I am taller, stronger, smarter and better looking than anyone posting here.
This Metaphor stuff is fun but I still feel I have not been totally honest with you Alan.
Will I get over that guilt if like Trump, I post/state more metaphors. Again, no ? for obvious reason to some!
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2018, 07:26:05 PM »

He lied far, far FAR less than Trump.
You seem to be suggesting Trump has none of those attributes of Obama, has difficulty forming sentences, and he's not lying. Rubbish. He lied big time most of the time he is on record.
You've made my point about Trump, thanks! 
But man, what a great deal maker... NOT.   Yes, some people shouldn’t be President, they don't have the skills, knowledge, temperament, communications skills, ability to concentrate instead of watching TV, honesty etc.


President Obama was a man of words. He acquiesced a lot and was feckless.  A college professor not a president.    Trump is a man of action. He takes strong positions and pushes like a New York real estate guy.  As a NY sub-contractor, I worked for a lot of guys like him.  They're cheap and want to get the job done ahead of schedule and within budget, better if possible.  Trumps' shock and awe and tariffs are all opening gambits to negotiations.  I've seen him negotiate in beating companies down to maximize his profits.  He's trying to do that for America.  Good for us.  He may be a bastard.  But he's our bastard.

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2018, 07:30:01 PM »

I've seen him negotiate in beating companies down to maximize his profits.
Metaphorical or literally.
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2018, 07:37:27 PM »

Literally.

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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2018, 07:39:30 PM »

I've seen him negotiate in beating children by separating them from their parents.  ;D
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2018, 07:45:25 PM »

Well, he didn't break any arms.  But the salesmen cried when he was done.  After Trump's manager of purchasing beat us down to get their lowest price, Trump gets on the line.  The salesmen in the company I was working for at the time should have known better.  You know Trump's going to do this.  But they had already given their  drop dead price to the purchasing manager.  Well, Donald wanted another 5% or 10%.  They couldn't lower the price another dime.  So they refused Donald, nicely of course.  So Donald said thanks, hangs up the phone, never called back,  and gave the job to a competitor.  A foreign company.  German.  Well, there were no tariffs at that time.  :)
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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2018, 07:49:18 PM »

More dangerous than the President attacking the news media because he doesn't like what they write?


Yes, considerably more dangerous.  Most of the news media is no longer "news"--it's ideology.  The media mostly puts out propaganda or at best heavily skewed POV.  Politicians then feed off this to inflame their base and get more support.  The media then attacks the politicians (at least those who disagree with the media's orthodoxy--the others get a complete pass,) which then encourages the politicians to harden their positions even more.  It's a vicious cycle that so far no one seems willing to try and stop.  Too much money is being made, too much power is at stake.  The losers are civility and the everyday people who are getting increasingly tired of it all.  Starting late last year, I just turn off the TV etc. 


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Re: How do you like him now? Trump vs the little kid.
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2018, 07:51:58 PM »

Starting late last year, I just turn off the TV etc. 
Unnecessary to have on if you have the internet.
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