Pages: [1] 2 3 4   Go Down

Author Topic: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?  (Read 1185 times)

Roberta33

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5
Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« on: June 12, 2018, 06:40:06 AM »

Can something like this be considered as art ?

https://photoguru.site/gallery/40-examples-of-incredible-photo-manipulation-by-erik-johansson/

I know that the photos are photoshoped but would you put something like this on your wall ?
Logged

KLaban

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 401
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 06:52:58 AM »

Can something like this be considered as art ?

https://photoguru.site/gallery/40-examples-of-incredible-photo-manipulation-by-erik-johansson/

I know that the photos are photoshoped but would you put something like this on your wall ?

Yes, but no.
Logged

JNB_Rare

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 554
    • JNB54

Martin Kristiansen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 410
    • http://www.mkdp.co.za
Logged

RSL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 10644
    • http://www.russ-lewis.com

Two23

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 300
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2018, 09:11:21 AM »

My thinking is that art is something that can elicit an emotional response in the viewer/listener/reader.  So yes, I think it's art.  I might "hang on my wall" something like that.  A shot I always wanted to do was of a glacial valley near me with a railroad running down the middle.  What I envision is that valley with a wall of ice on the north end and a train emerging from it.  To me that photo would tie together the present with the ancient past.  I don't have the skills to do that yet, of course.


Kent in SD
« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 07:15:43 PM by Two23 »
Logged

Slobodan Blagojevic

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 11161
  • When everybody thinks the same... nobody thinks.
    • My website
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2018, 09:25:32 AM »

Yes and yes.

Eric Myrvaagnes

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14746
  • http://myrvaagnes.com
    • http://myrvaagnes.com
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 09:43:07 AM »

Yes, but no.
+4.

But I might put them on Slobodan's wall.   ;)
Logged
-Eric Myrvaagnes (visit my website: http://myrvaagnes.com)

BartvanderWolf

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7012
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 10:06:47 AM »

Can something like this be considered as art ?

Yes, although I prefer the approach by photographers like Chema Madoz. He manages to confuse the observer by using everyday objects (often found in the street), and sometimes by just using clever perspective with light and shadows:

http://www.chemamadoz.com

Cheers,
Bart
Logged
== If you do what you did, you'll get what you got. ==

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13772
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 10:15:28 AM »

Yes and yes.
+1 (shocked but that's how I see it).
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

Peter McLennan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2537
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2018, 10:27:58 AM »

What if it was a Jerry Uelsmann?
Logged

Telecaster

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3060
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2018, 10:46:26 AM »

What if it was a Jerry Uelsmann?

Uelsmann is exactly who I think of when I see this kind of work. Whatever his intent was, I've always seen his stuff as humorous. Same here. Not sure I'd put any of it on my wall, though…unlike, say, one of Helen Levitt's funny street scenes. The observation-centric nature of her photo humor puts 'em on another level for me. YMMV.

-Dave-
Logged

Jim Kasson

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2017
    • The Last Word
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2018, 12:46:14 PM »

Can something like this be considered as art ?

https://photoguru.site/gallery/40-examples-of-incredible-photo-manipulation-by-erik-johansson/

I know that the photos are photoshoped but would you put something like this on your wall ?

Yes and Yes. However, I already have Uelsmann images on my wall, so maybe I'm an outlier. I also like Ted Orland's stuff.

Jim

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 2107
    • Flicker photos
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2018, 05:05:45 PM »

Of course it's art.  It's not photography.
(Boy, I'm I going to get it.)

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13772
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2018, 05:39:18 PM »

Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 2107
    • Flicker photos
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2018, 06:01:12 PM »

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13772
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2018, 06:14:18 PM »

I refuse to bite. :)
No worries, I'll ignore the comment as it makes zero sense to me, perhaps others.  ;)
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

Chris Kern

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 512
    • Chris Kern's Eponymous Website
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2018, 07:08:53 PM »

Of course it's art.  It's not photography.

But where would you draw the line?

Correcting perspective in an architectural photo?  (It is permissible if you use a tilt-shift lens but unacceptable if you do it in post-processing?)

Using local adjustments to dodge, burn, selectively sharpen, modify saturation?

Combining several shots for focus-stacking?  Combining several exposures to increase dynamic range?

Eliminating distracting or extraneous elements from an image (e.g., with Photoshop’s content-aware fill)?

Using a long exposure to blur moving elements (e.g., water) or alter the quality of the light?

Replacing a featureless sky with one that has more character?

Shooting a multiple-exposure or combining photographs made at different times to create a composite image?  (This is my admittedly modest contribution to the genre—a response to a request from my wife to photograph one of her sculptures.)

I suppose it’s possible to argue endlessly about what should be considered "art" because that’s an inherently subjective issue.  But doesn’t anything composed exclusively from one or more images captured by a camera objectively constitute photography?

donbga

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 429
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2018, 08:06:20 PM »

+1 (shocked but that's how I see it).

Finally a Plus One I can agree with - so +2.

This kind of photography always frightens the old figs. There are no straight lines in nature. If you want to know what Uelsmann would think just ask his wife, Maggie Taylor

Don Bryant
Logged

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13772
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Can photo manipulation be considered as art ?
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2018, 08:58:01 PM »

If you want to know what Uelsmann would think just ask his wife, Maggie Taylor
Yeah, Maggies work is also awesome IMHO. FWIW, I think she's now an ex-wife but the two produce very compelling images.
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"
Pages: [1] 2 3 4   Go Up