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PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« on: May 05, 2018, 03:59:00 PM »

Hi guys,
just opened a dng from LR into PS and it shows up as dng. never done that before, what's happening there ?
newest version of CC and classic...
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2018, 04:45:50 PM »

What do you mean it shows up as a .DNG?
You had a DNG, you asked LR specifically what? LR can make a call to ACR in Photoshop to render a raw or DNG, it opens outside of ACR. It's rendered and needs to be saved. You can ask that DNG to open in ACR. So I'm confused by what you're stating.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2018, 04:56:29 PM »

I'm also confused by how the file was opened from Lr into Ps. Does the OP mean that he/she used the "Develop>Photo>Edit In" command? If so it automatically opens as a raw file, but not in ACR, and then becomes a TIFF or a PSD (depending on one's default Lr External Preference settings) upon saving it. There should be no issue with this.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2018, 04:57:16 PM »

as far as I remember it, when I opened a raw file before, it never said the name of the raw file, like dng, raf, or nef or whatever in the naming field on the topleft of the file window, but now it does, so apparently that got changed...
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2018, 04:58:51 PM »

That hasn't changed since any time I can recall.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2018, 05:36:45 PM »

as I recall it, my versions of PS from CS2 to CC2018 always said "filename.tif', when the rawfile got opened...
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2018, 05:39:41 PM »

as I recall it, my versions of PS from CS2 to CC2018 always said "filename.tif', when the rawfile got opened...
It can’t be a TIFF or otherwise until saved as a (fill in the blank).
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2018, 05:41:23 PM »

",tif" can also be a raw file extension. When you use <Edit In> and open the raw file into Ps, you are getting a rendered version of the photo including the Lr edits that still carries the raw file name until you save it. This has been normal behaviour from as far back as I can remember.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2018, 05:50:49 PM »

",tif" can also be a raw file extension. When you use <Edit In> and open the raw file into Ps, you are getting a rendered version of the photo including the Lr edits that still carries the raw file name until you save it. This has been normal behaviour from as far back as I can remember.
But it isn't really a TIFF, yet! It's simply in memory and hasn't been saved as a TIFF or otherwise. And try this: select a JPEG in LR and apply an LR edit, use Open In Photoshop and the setting for the rendering you've setup in preferences (in my case for a 16-bit TIFF in ProPhoto RGB). What you see in PS is just that. Close the file and don't save it, it's not anything. You are asked to Save the document and it's default is a TIFF as you asked for this, but it isn't a TIFF; not yet.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2018, 05:54:02 PM »

But it isn't really a TIFF, yet! It's simply in memory and hasn't been saved as a TIFF or otherwise. And try this: select a JPEG in LR and apply an LR edit, use Open In Photoshop and the setting for the rendering you've setup in preferences (in my case for a 16-bit TIFF in ProPhoto RGB). What you see in PS is just that. Close the file and don't save it, it's not anything. You are asked to Save the document and it's default is a TIFF as you asked for this, but it isn't a TIFF; not yet.

Yes of course. I just provided information, which is correct, that ".tif" CAN BE a raw format extension. This was not to imply the file is a TIFF before being saved. I said once you save it, it becomes a TIFF or PSD depending on your preferences. I thought I was clear. !?!?
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2018, 05:56:02 PM »

Yes of course. I just provided information, which is correct, that ".tif" CAN BE a raw format extension.
From LR? From what raw? I can't say I recall ever seeing this, not from the Edit in Photoshop command. The extension is what you asked for:
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",tif" can also be a raw file extension. When you use <Edit In> and open the raw file into Ps, you are getting a rendered version of the photo including the Lr edits that still carries the raw file name until you save it.

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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2018, 05:58:39 PM »

There are/were cameras that used ".tif" as a raw extension - for example the original Canon 1Ds. I have tons of those files. It was very confusing, but that's what they did.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2018, 06:04:40 PM »

And try this: select a JPEG in LR and apply an LR edit, use Open In Photoshop and the setting for the rendering you've setup in preferences (in my case for a 16-bit TIFF in ProPhoto RGB). What you see in PS is just that.
Actually that's incorrect I now see. The name of the original is honored but the other settings apply (16-bit, ProPhoto etc) are. But the name in terms of the extension is meaningless! It's not anything until you save it, it's just in memory. Now if you open a JPEG from LR, the extension IS honored; that is, you asked in preferences for a TIFF, PS places that (JPEG) into the name and attempts to save it by default as a TIFF. You could save it as something else of course. But the bottom line is, the name you see in PS from LR doesn't tell you what the file format is before you save the file. The file isn't anything but data held in memory.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2018, 06:11:55 PM »

The file isn't anything but data held in memory.

OK, but that data amounts to (i.e. behaves like) what is a temporary rendered file even though it isn't as yet saved as such. Please see para 1, page 415 of Martin Evening's latest Lr book, where he says, "If you use this method to open a raw image, Lightroom will render a pixel version of the master catalog image.........."
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2018, 06:21:48 PM »

OK, but that data amounts to (i.e. behaves like) what is a temporary rendered file even though it isn't as yet saved as such. Please see para 1, page 415 of Martin Evening's latest Lr book, where he says, "If you use this method to open a raw image, Lightroom will render a pixel version of the master catalog image.........."
AFTER it's saved! Before it is saved, it's not anything anywhere.
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2018, 06:23:02 PM »

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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2018, 06:33:02 PM »

Page 334 LR FAQ.

As long as you simply save the file when you’ve finished editing it in Photoshop or another editor, the edited file is also returned to your catalog. If you choose to Save As a different filename, file type or location, the behavior changes, depending on the type of external editor you’re using.(Figure15.5)
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2018, 09:11:43 PM »

Page 334 LR FAQ.
Where does that quotation come from? I did a search but cannot find any reference to a "LR FAQ".
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2018, 09:36:49 PM »

Where does that quotation come from? I did a search but cannot find any reference to a "LR FAQ".
A must have reference: https://www.lightroomqueen.com
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Re: PS opens DNG from LR into DNG ???
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