New York Magazine doesn't seem to like Trump

[LesPalenik]

Quite right, Alan. The difference is that nowadays the so-called "mainstream media" will only print cartoons produced by the wild-eyed left.

I think, that before publishing the political cartoons, the art directors should look also at the artistic values of the said artwork.

[pegelli]

Quite right, Alan. The difference is that nowadays the so-called "mainstream media" will only print cartoons produced by the wild-eyed left.

Yes, such a pity we never saw any Obama cartoons in the mainstream media

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Yes, such a pity we never saw any Obama cartoons in the mainstream media

With this level of gore or ridicule? Any mainstream media cartoons portraying him as a monkey? I mean, if it is ok to portray the current president as a pig, we surely should strive to provide diversity and inclusion for monkeys too, no?

[pegelli]

With this level of gore or ridicule? Any mainstream media cartoons portraying him as a monkey? I mean, if it is ok to portray the current president as a pig, we surely should strive to provide diversity and inclusion for monkeys too, no?

Yes, even as a dead monkey in the New York Post:



I'd rather be shown as a living pig than a dead monkey

[Alan Goldhammer]

Quite right, Alan. The difference is that nowadays the so-called "mainstream media" will only print cartoons produced by the wild-eyed left.

Probably because of the bias of the mainstream press!   Seriously, there must be some conservative cartoonists around who work at some of the right leaning papers.

[RSL]

Sure. Alan. Nowadays Ramirez tops that list. Not only that, his cartoons actually are funny unlike the cartoon at the top of this thread.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Yes, even as a dead monkey in the New York Post...

That is why underlined the words "mainstream media," which the NYP hardly is. In its current incarnation, it is considered a tabloid:

The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated "New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem – a force for evil."[39]

[Robert Roaldi]

I think, that before publishing the political cartoons, the art directors should look also at the artistic values of the said artwork.

Maybe they did but that their artistic sensibilities do not correspond with yours.

[pegelli]

That is why underlined the words "mainstream media," which the NYP hardly is. In its current incarnation, it is considered a tabloid:

I think Murdoch will be mad if you don't consider him mainstream 

But, let's stop nit-picking and call the NYP a mainstream tabloid

[Robert Roaldi]

I will repeat something that I've said before in these pages. When politicians continually criticize the press, it makes me think that the press is probably doing something right.

This notion that somehow the President, who is said to be a big time entrepreneur and CEO and so should have a lot of experience in media presentation, especially since he has a lot of permanent staff to prep him, cannot protect himself from the big bad press is simply too silly for words.

[James Clark]

With this level of gore or ridicule? Any mainstream media cartoons portraying him as a monkey? I mean, if it is ok to portray the current president as a pig, we surely should strive to provide diversity and inclusion for monkeys too, no?

Come on now... You know damn well that you won't see any respectable media outlet portray Obama as a monkey because of the historically racist imagery that would conjure.   Showing Trump as a pig is a far cry from that.  (And no, they're obviously not commenting on his weight, but his feeding from the public trough.)

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Come on now... You know damn well that you won't see any respectable media outlet portray Obama as a monkey because of the historically racist imagery that would conjure.   Showing Trump as a pig is a far cry from that.  (And no, they're obviously not commenting on his weight, but his feeding from the public trough.)

Right... white people can not possibly be victims of racism.

[James Clark]

Right... white people can not possibly be victims of racism.

An entirely different conversation, and, of course, wholly unrelated to the question of why you don't see Obama portrayed as a monkey in any reputable publication.   

[pegelli]

Right... white people can not possibly be victims of racism.

Well, to be honest, I think the original cartoon that started this thread comes close.
Anyway I don't like it and think it's tasteless an far from funny. I'm not a Trump supporter and have seen some good cartoons with him, but this example isn't one of them.

[James Clark]

Well, to be honest, I think the original cartoon that started this thread comes close.
Anyway I don't like it and think it's tasteless an far from funny. I'm not a Trump supporter and have seen some good cartoons with him, but this example isn't one of them.

Well, it's not subtle for sure, but culturally (here at least) the comparison of politicians to pigs at the trough is neither outrageous nor unusual.

[pegelli]

Well, it's not subtle for sure, but culturally (here at least) the comparison of politicians to pigs at the trough is neither outrageous nor unusual.

Black pigs too?

[James Clark]

Black pigs too?

Sorry - I don't follow? 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

An entirely different conversation, and, of course, wholly unrelated to the question of why you don't see Obama portrayed as a monkey in any reputable publication.   

This, of course, is not what I meant. The opposite in fact. Quite related. My view: if associating one race with one type of animal is racist, then associating another race with another animal should be racist too. The Left, of course, likes to cherry pick what racism is, with its ever-expanding nomenclature (including equating avoiding direct eye contact with racism).

I highlighted "if" above, as I actually do not think either is. I do not care much for historical references.

[pegelli]

Sorry - I don't follow?

You said picturing politicians as pigs at the though was not unusual.
I just wondered if all these pigs were of the light pink variety or that there were different colourd ones in these cartoons.

[pegelli]

Slobodan, I agree the racism card is pulled way too fast.