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Revenge of the Elephant!
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:15:13 pm »

Vanity Fair seems to like to stick it to former New Yorker Donald Trump and family. Enter Jim Carry's Art Hobby!

Eric and Donald Trump Jr.’s Big Game Hunting Hobby Inspires Jim Carrey’s Art Hobby

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Jim Carrey, actor and self-described “unified field of nothing dancing for no particular reason”, is also an artiste, and he made a few enemies this week through his artwork. He depicted presidential sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump impaled on an elephant’s tusks, then he tweeted it. Gun and Trump enthusiasts did not take kindly to the characterization, and at least one alerted the F.B.I.



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#teamelephant
7:14 PM - Mar 27, 2018
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But it's not only "the kids" that Carrey is Tweeting...his painting is taking aim at all things Trump...

And while it may seem he's fixated on Trump, his painting is actually pretty interesting Here's a link to an article about his first show: Art Now and Then–Jim Carrey



Heck, even Breitbart took notice:
Jim Carrey Art Shows Trump Having Sex with Stormy Daniels



Check out Carrey's Twitter if you want to see some other, uh, "fun" images...
https://twitter.com/JimCarrey

(I first took notice of Carrey's paintings when Jerry Seinfeld did Jim Carrey in his Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee Netflix TV show...Season 6 (2015) Episode 3)
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2018, 11:21:27 pm »

I think he's another of the Hollywood crowd that's gone childishly hysterical.  I ignore him. ::)


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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2018, 11:21:44 pm »

You call that shit crap art?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2018, 10:57:12 am by Slobodan Blagojevic »
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2018, 11:56:13 pm »

You call that shit art?
Only if it contains sufficient Indexicality (as I recently learned in another thread on LuLa.)   8)
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 12:34:40 am »

Only if it contains sufficient Indexicality (as I recently learned in another thread on LuLa.)   8)

And if the image lacks in indexicality, you can always increase saturation.
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 01:23:33 am »

You call that shit art?

I guess you don't get out to art galleries too much huh?

The 6 Rising Artists You Must Know In 2018 and 9 Artists to Watch in January 2018

So, yeah, that shit is art...(well, Jim's other work...I think the stuff he's doing on Twitter is just to Twit the Trump)
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 01:24:15 am »

Only if it contains sufficient Indexicality (as I recently learned in another thread on LuLa.)   8)

Wow, had to look that one up–and I still don't understand :~)
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 04:50:40 am »

I guess you don't get out to art galleries too much huh?

So, yeah, that shit is art...(well, Jim's other work...I think the stuff he's doing on Twitter is just to Twit the Trump)

Being in a gallery neither makes it art nor stops it being shit. If it wasn't the talentless rubbish of someone famous and it didn't tap into anti-Trump sentiment, nobody would pay it a moment's attention.

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 05:50:09 am »


Jim Carrey (like Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise, and Charlie Sheen before him) is in the throws of a nervous breakdown. Anyone else pick up on this?

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2018, 05:57:07 am »

Being in a gallery neither makes it art nor stops it being shit. If it wasn't the talentless rubbish of someone famous and it didn't tap into anti-Trump sentiment, nobody would pay it a moment's attention.

Jeremy


Indeed; what it does show, though, is the need that galleries have for new blood. I suspect that a further problem is that art has been forced out of its comfort zone of "reliable" definitions by that pressure, and thus into adopting and promoting the outrageous upon whose shock value the new emperor is seated, like some Napoloeon on a stuffed, white horse.

Making the matter worse, the investor class is using art as a hedge against other commodities going sour. It matters not a damn if it is good or crap; if it retains or increases its monetary value, mission accomplished and both investor and gallery live on to glory in yet another day. Throw in glib, professional writers, specialists in the opaque and unintelligible, the sort that accompany the promotions and/or that can be found in the art review columns of a quality newspaper, then it must be true and you, the gentle reader who had never heard of nor seen such things before, has to be the uncomprehending idiot...

But then, the cult of the celeb has been able to promote and monetize almost anything for quite some time. When there are people in this world who care about the size of some famous-for-being-famous goddam woman's ass, where she spends her time etc. etc. then what can anyone expect? Society is in that runaway handcart.

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2018, 09:21:54 am »


Indeed; what it does show, though, is the need that galleries have for new blood. I suspect that a further problem is that art has been forced out of its comfort zone of "reliable" definitions by that pressure, and thus into adopting and promoting the outrageous upon whose shock value the new emperor is seated, like some Napoloeon on a stuffed, white horse.

Making the matter worse, the investor class is using art as a hedge against other commodities going sour. It matters not a damn if it is good or crap; if it retains or increases its monetary value, mission accomplished and both investor and gallery live on to glory in yet another day. Throw in glib, professional writers, specialists in the opaque and unintelligible, the sort that accompany the promotions and/or that can be found in the art review columns of a quality newspaper, then it must be true and you, the gentle reader who had never heard of nor seen such things before, has to be the uncomprehending idiot...

But then, the cult of the celeb has been able to promote and monetize almost anything for quite some time. When there are people in this world who care about the size of some famous-for-being-famous goddam woman's ass, where she spends her time etc. etc. then what can anyone expect? Society is in that runaway handcart.

As everybody knows, the now beloved impressionists were criticized by the conventional art community of the time. So, where does LuLa fit into the characterizations of art appreciation? I’d say we’re conventional with a slight nod to work that is beyond us but does not make us feel too much like dinasours.

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2018, 09:49:13 am »

...So, yeah, that shit is art...

And you have no problem and no shame of spreading that shit here? I wonder if you would show the same enthusiasm for shit (shitty enthusiasm?) if it were Malia and Sasha?

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2018, 10:09:40 am »

As everybody knows, the now beloved impressionists were criticized by the conventional art community of the time. So, where does LuLa fit into the characterizations of art appreciation? I’d say we’re conventional with a slight nod to work that is beyond us but does not make us feel too much like dinasours.

But there's a difference in that the Impressionists, by and large, were also able to take the conventional route, but just chose a different direction that demanded the same skills used differently. I have no problem with a trained or natural artist doing his thing, wherever it takes him; where I have a problem is where I think I see absence of skill getting promoted to the stratosphere.

Regarding LuLa's stance: I don't really think that it officially (or otherwise) has one on photographs. Having just written that, I must admit to having a narrow angle of looking: it's a very rare thing that in my LuLa searches for images I stray beyond the Abstracts, and whatever Without Prejudice offers. I get no thrill out of landscape, per se, and my regret is that the street people seem to be pretty thin on the ground. Of course, as everybody knows, street has many definitions, but whichever one you adopt, it ain't easy to do. Worse, unlike snaps of the natural world, when your image fails, it's obvious.

I don't really want to use Micheal as an example which might seem a little unkind, despite this being Easter etc., but where I found his pictorial input interesting was in his ability to see both landscape and street motifs and catch them pretty damned well. That doesn't seem to happen much anymore. I never knew the man personally, but from what I discovered here, he had a previous life in photojournalism, and that makes and keeps you pretty sharp! I suspect that his photographs did, perhaps, lend a sense of direction to the other posters, by paternal/managerial influence, if nothing more. The man had an abundance of style.

It's a common belief that technology has pretty much plateaued these days; perhaps a similar fate has befallen the world of images, too, where so much can be done almost automaticlly that many of the old skills have become redundant and, with them, some of the deeper insights into what one was doing. I believe there is no going back, and that the likes of some of the old stars will not appear again.

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2018, 10:19:11 am »

Painting such pictures is a good thing, especially for Jim Carrey. Never mind the artistic value, creating even sh*tty art can be a useful and calming therapy.
However, hanging and showing those pictures in a gallery could lead to more mental cases.
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2018, 10:29:00 am »

And you have no problem and no shame of spreading that shit here? I wonder if you would show the same enthusiasm for shit (shitty enthusiasm?) if it were Malia and Sasha?

There you go: believe it or not, I had to look those two names up for them to make any sense to me!

I guess it's what happens when you have no royalty: you need to have ever-changing substitutes who do not understand the form, the conventions and the demands of the rôles they attempt to play...

Like the French, you had all that and promptly threw it away, just as did I with my 500 C Series crown jewels. And for the three of us, it's too bloody late to undo our mistakes. It's hard enough to own up to them. The fine history of mistakes is slowly and painfully (and apparently unstoppably) repeating itself with Brexit, though that thought may get me cancelled. ( ;-) )

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2018, 10:42:05 am »

And you have no problem and no shame of spreading that shit here? I wonder if you would show the same enthusiasm for shit (shitty enthusiasm?) if it were Malia and Sasha?

Our own Laura Ingraham, eh?

Obama was satirized also, and the birther movement provided a lot of amusement for his detractors.

But there's a difference in that the Impressionists, by and large, were also able to take the conventional route, but just chose a different direction that demanded the same skills used differently. I have no problem with a trained or natural artist doing his thing, wherever it takes him; where I have a problem is where I think I see absence of skill getting promoted to the stratosphere.

Regarding LuLa's stance: I don't really think that it officially (or otherwise) has one on photographs. Having just written that, I must admit to having a narrow angle of looking: it's a very rare thing that in my LuLa searches for images I stray beyond the Abstracts, and whatever Without Prejudice offers. I get no thrill out of landscape, per se, and my regret is that the street people seem to be pretty thin on the ground. Of course, as everybody knows, street has many definitions, but whichever one you adopt, it ain't easy to do. Worse, unlike snaps of the natural world, when your image fails, it's obvious.

I don't really want to use Micheal as an example which might seem a little unkind, despite this being Easter etc., but where I found his pictorial input interesting was in his ability to see both landscape and street motifs and catch them pretty damned well. That doesn't seem to happen much anymore. I never knew the man personally, but from what I discovered here, he had a previous life in photojournalism, and that makes and keeps you pretty sharp! I suspect that his photographs did, perhaps, lend a sense of direction to the other posters, by paternal/managerial influence, if nothing more. The man had an abundance of style.

It's a common belief that technology has pretty much plateaued these days; perhaps a similar fate has befallen the world of images, too, where so much can be done almost automaticlly that many of the old skills have become redundant and, with them, some of the deeper insights into what one was doing. I believe there is no going back, and that the likes of some of the old stars will not appear again.


The critics of impressionism, at that time, felt differently than we do. Your view of what constitutes skill is not the same as what theirs was. Anyway, my point is about how taste/opinions change.

 I do wonder whether it may be plausible to expand the scope of what LuLa might consider good photography. I think a couple of the recent grant awards went in a different and in my opinion good direction.

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2018, 10:49:37 am »

As far as I know, neither Malia nor Sasha have shot any elephants. The same picture replacing the Trumps with the Obamas would therefore have quite a different meaning, would be subject to quite different interpretations.
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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2018, 11:05:11 am »

... Obama was satirized also...

Apples and oranges. I have no problem with satirizing any President, including Trump. I think I myself posted a visual joke at his expense once or twice on these forums.

It is the crassness of this latest attempt, along with that D-lister nut job’s “art” of holding a fake Trump’s decapitated and blooded head in her hand that caused, deservedly, a universal condemnation, on the left as well.

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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2018, 11:32:00 am »

Apples and oranges. I have no problem with satirizing any President, including Trump. I think I myself posted a visual joke at his expense once or twice on these forums.

It is the crassness of this latest attempt, along with that D-lister nut job’s “art” of holding a fake Trump’s decapitated and blooded head in her hand that caused, deservedly, a universal condemnation, on the left as well.

Well, the severed fake head image didn't bother me. It was an obvious political opinion. But I guess the severity of our splintered modern world warrants a bit of caution. Who knows.

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Re: Revenge of the Elephant!
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2018, 12:17:15 pm »

Well, the severed fake head image didn't bother me. It was an obvious political opinion...

And when was the left bothered by violence, fake or otherwise?

By the way, what was that "political opinion"... "Let's decapitate Trump"?
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