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Gordon Buck

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Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« on: February 12, 2018, 09:09:54 PM »

Just to satisfy my curiosity, in the past six months I rented a Fuji X100F, X-Pro2 and Canon 6D.  I was especially interested in the Fuji "rangefinder" ergonomics.  To my complete surprise, the .jpg images from the Fujis were outstanding.  In fact, I could not duplicate the Fuji jpgs from the Fuji RAW files much less from the Canon 6D RAW files.  Perhaps my failure to duplicate is an indication of my Photoshop skills but, even so, I've been doing this for a while (in fact, years) now.  I also compared to my Canon 7D and 70D. 

I'm very tempted to get one of the Fujis and simply shoot jpg (well, probably RAW+jpg) - that's how impressed I am.  Even the X videos were OK for me.

Anyone else noticed this?  What is the magic tweak/settings to replicate the Fuji jpgs?


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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 10:58:08 PM »

Fuji brought their decades of experience in color and B&W films to create the in camera processing for those JPGs. They put a lot of effort into that. 

They did work with Adobe so that Lightroom calibrations got close to what they do in camera with the film simulations.  Close but no cigar.

Love my Fuji X cameras.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 09:31:55 AM »

Just to satisfy my curiosity, in the past six months I rented a Fuji X100F, X-Pro2 and Canon 6D.  I was especially interested in the Fuji "rangefinder" ergonomics.  To my complete surprise, the .jpg images from the Fujis were outstanding.  In fact, I could not duplicate the Fuji jpgs from the Fuji RAW files much less from the Canon 6D RAW files.  Perhaps my failure to duplicate is an indication of my Photoshop skills but, even so, I've been doing this for a while (in fact, years) now.  I also compared to my Canon 7D and 70D. 

I'm very tempted to get one of the Fujis and simply shoot jpg (well, probably RAW+jpg) - that's how impressed I am.  Even the X videos were OK for me.

Anyone else noticed this?  What is the magic tweak/settings to replicate the Fuji jpgs?
To try and offer any meaningful tweak/settings suggestions it would be helpful to see an image or two of exactly the same subject raw from your Canon and the JPEG from the Fuji. 

Is it possible to either post a link to a couple of examples for comparison e.g. Dropbox - pm if pref.

If the Adobe profiles are not very close to the particular camera profiles then it is rare to find an image file that cannot be manipulated to mimic that certain 'look'.  This may be by either making a preset or even a new camera profile - just a thought
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 09:39:09 AM »

What is the magic tweak/settings to replicate the Fuji jpgs?
find a software developer... ask him to get synthetic target (a lot of patches to get decent LUT) into Fuji raw / or you can shot any target yourself, but synthetic is better - you simply can't get enough patches from a real world target ... even something like CCSG or CCDC are not good enough to get a precise vs rough replica/... develop to JPG using Fuji software (in camera / off camera)... convert patches RGB numbers from sRGB* or AdobeRGB (whatever you get) to say Lab .... now use tool of your choice (dcamprof) to create a camera profile for your raw converter using the raw with synthetic target + target description (using those Lab values)...  or if you have raw converter like RPP that can output non color transformed data - you can create icc/icm profile to apply in Photoshop...

something like this
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 11:38:24 AM »

Here are some LUTs that do a pretty good job. They can be used by several raw editors,

https://blog.sowerby.me/fuji-film-simulation-profiles/

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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 04:09:45 PM »

Just to satisfy my curiosity, in the past six months I rented a Fuji X100F, X-Pro2 and Canon 6D.  I was especially interested in the Fuji "rangefinder" ergonomics.  To my complete surprise, the .jpg images from the Fujis were outstanding.  In fact, I could not duplicate the Fuji jpgs from the Fuji RAW files much less from the Canon 6D RAW files.  Perhaps my failure to duplicate is an indication of my Photoshop skills but, even so, I've been doing this for a while (in fact, years) now.  I also compared to my Canon 7D and 70D. 

I'm very tempted to get one of the Fujis and simply shoot jpg (well, probably RAW+jpg) - that's how impressed I am.  Even the X videos were OK for me.

Anyone else noticed this?  What is the magic tweak/settings to replicate the Fuji jpgs?
I agree they are outstanding. I've made 17 inch prints off Fuji jpegs. Not something I would have dreamed of doing on files from other camera brands.
The Fuji jpegs are also more "malleable", meaning I can do some work on them directly in Photoshop without getting artefacts. I don't know why this should be so.
I haven't seen any raw converters match the original jpegs. I think Fuji are doing more than "moving sliders".
That said, I still use the raw files 95% of the time, and I've heard some photographers have found the jpegs can have a little colour bleed on light areas from nearby saturated colours. If you look closely.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 02:14:00 AM »

Here are some LUTs that do a pretty good job. They can be used by several raw editors,

https://blog.sowerby.me/fuji-film-simulation-profiles/

Alan

Alan thanks for the link. I tried a few out in Affinity and they work quite well. As you bring them up on an adjustment layer you can tame them down a bit by adjusting the opacity of the layer.

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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2018, 10:09:00 AM »

Alan thanks for the link. I tried a few out in Affinity and they work quite well. As you bring them up on an adjustment layer you can tame them down a bit by adjusting the opacity of the layer.

Dave

You are most welcome, they do work well and also work with Luminar and Darktable and anything else that can use LUTs.

Here is a link to some ICC profiles that can be used in C1 and how to install them:
https://blog.thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/blog/2017/2/how-to-download-and-install-fuji-colour-profiles-for-capture-one

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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2018, 05:06:23 PM »

I have been a fan of Fuji ever since I tried their film in my 35mm. Even more when I bought my little EXR. And still more after acquiring Iridient Raw Developer, which is basically one click and done.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 08:19:23 AM »

A dream of mine is for one of those Fuji developers to strike out on his/her own and develop Lightroom presets that closely replicate the camera film modes.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 09:27:05 AM »

Lightroom 7.3 has Fuji film “profiles” you’d see in the camera so you should be happy.  Previous versions replicated Fuji film simulations but probably not as well.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 07:57:27 AM »


I shoot Fuji. I use the RAW files almost exclusively. I do use PS.

My advice:

Download the free trial of Capture One and load your Fuji RAW files. 

Don't try this if you are not willing to buy Capture One.

You have been warned.
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Re: Replicating Fuji X images from Canon files
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 10:23:01 AM »

If you're interested in getting the most out of details in Fuji RAF (RAW) files and you're not satisfied with what can be accomplished in this regard in the Adobe universe I highly recommend Iridient Developer or Iridient X-Transformer.  The later is designed to play well with Lightroom. 
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