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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2017, 04:45:35 PM »

I agree with Steve - however this is a thread about Hassy. I wonder what the lifespan of the H series is now that the XD has started selling well?

Edmund

I assume that many X1Ds have been bought by photographers who have shunned MF before (size and price).

I own both H6D and X1D and prefer H6D except for the size and weight. I doubt I am alone in that, and believe that H6D will continue to sell well.
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2017, 06:49:26 PM »


Perhaps in your part of the world. If you think Phase One profits are mostly from software, then you do not have an insight into their actual sales and profit numbers. In the USA, Phase One has dominated medium format digital rental for years and continues to do so. Remember, it's a big world, and what you see in your own neighborhood only tells a small part of the story. In fact even in your neighborhood, with the proliferation of enthusiast photographers who can afford medium format, you may not be aware of the complete picture. In the past, we were used to having some sense of who was who and who shot with what when we met our colleagues at the film lab. Doesn't happen anymore. There is a lot of activity in anonymity.


Steve Hendrix/CI

i have no insight at all, just seeing what people use and what people have....incl fellow photographers, BTS videos, friends of friends, idols,....same as it was in the film days....except there were no BTS videos then of course:)
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 03:51:28 AM »

I also had the choice between the X1D and the H6D (I have already a H5D50). After a short time I decided me for the H6D-100C. But of course, the next will be the X1D or X2D.

And between, the same prise reduction was maybe two years ago also with the H5D50C. Wihout DJI.

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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2017, 03:39:41 PM »

I agree with Steve - however this is a thread about Hassy. I wonder what the lifespan of the H series is now that the XD has started selling well?

Edmund

Edmund,

We are highly committed to the continuation of the H-System, evident is the development of a new electronic platform for the camera system, which has given advent to new features, such as Video (4K raw video), a CFast card slot to accommodate it, audio in and out and USB-3 configuration. The H-System lenses has seen an upgrade too, the new Enhanced Exposure Units (EnhEU) type accomplish flash sync up to 1/2000th. Finally, as recent as the release of Firmware version 1.17.0, the added functionality is on par with the X1D.

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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2017, 04:23:36 PM »

Edmund,

We are highly committed to the continuation of the H-System, evident is the development of a new electronic platform for the camera system, which has given advent to new features, such as Video (4K raw video), a CFast card slot to accommodate it, audio in and out and USB-3 configuration. The H-System lenses has seen an upgrade too, the new Enhanced Exposure Units (EnhEU) type accomplish flash sync up to 1/2000th. Finally, as recent as the release of Firmware version 1.17.0, the added functionality is on par with the X1D.

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Eric Peterson
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Hasselblad

They who know have spoken :)

I think the raw motion capture is a very exciting development.

Edmund
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2017, 11:58:31 AM »

I think the raw motion capture is a very exciting development.

Exciting, but damn does it quickly fill any and all storage available.   ;D
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2017, 02:48:29 PM »

Now the pricing makes sense relative to the X1D.

But I am still not sure whether the image quality gap of these 50mp small MF sensors justifies all the sacrifices you need to do compared to, say, a D850. That is even if you forget about the price difference.

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Apparently a D850 makes more sense.
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2017, 05:38:48 PM »

Apparently a D850 makes more sense.

Probably. To me the Hasselblad X1D and Fuji GFX may start to make more sense with their second generation cameras equipped with the 100mp next gen sensor. At least there will be a significant image quality gap.

But fundamentally, to me this sensor size is just too close to FF to justify owning 2 full systems in parallel... and since FF is pretty much mandatory for generic shooting (fast AF, long and fast tele) I will probably never invest there.

So I seriouly hope that Hasselblad provides an EVF option for the H6D or H7D.

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Bernard
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2017, 06:09:17 PM »

Probably. To me the Hasselblad X1D and Fuji GFX may start to make more sense with their second generation cameras equipped with the 100mp next gen sensor. At least there will be a significant image quality gap.

But fundamentally, to me this sensor size is just too close to FF to justify owning 2 full systems in parallel... and since FF is pretty much mandatory for generic shooting (fast AF, long and fast tele) I will probably never invest there.

So I seriouly hope that Hasselblad provides an EVF option for the H6D or H7D.

Cheers,
Bernard

I was thinking about this too. 50MP medium format doesn't really have much of an advantage over competitors like the A7RII or 5DSR. However the 100MP sensors are another story...
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2017, 08:33:23 PM »

Probably. To me the Hasselblad X1D and Fuji GFX may start to make more sense with their second generation cameras equipped with the 100mp next gen sensor. At least there will be a significant image quality gap.

But fundamentally, to me this sensor size is just too close to FF to justify owning 2 full systems in parallel... and since FF is pretty much mandatory for generic shooting (fast AF, long and fast tele) I will probably never invest there.

So I seriouly hope that Hasselblad provides an EVF option for the H6D or H7D.

Cheers,
Bernard

not sure i agree with this.....to me the GFX is definitely a step up from existing FF (incl the 850) but i agree that on a printed 8x10 the difference will be pretty much impossible to see.....but you can probably throw in an 8x10 from an APC-size camera and one from the existing top of the line 100mpix and it will probably still be hard to tell which one is which....
and that won't change once the next gen 100mpix sensors come out....
the step up is visible in tonality when retouching and when having to apply severe crops.....
i dont necessarily think the next sony FF sensor with 80mpix (or whatever it will be ) will be competition for the GFX or X1D....
i agree that the next gen 100 sensor will be an improvement but i think it just slide in nicely with the existing system....
of course the handling, speed, AF,....of existing DSLR and FF mirrorless will still be on a different level and one system does not replace both now and it won't then....
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2017, 10:02:55 PM »

To me the difference is nearly invisible in 20x30 inch prints.

Heck, it is nearly invisible at 20x30 comparing the D850 to the H6D-100c...

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2017, 10:38:09 AM »

You're right, the roadmap does layout the 100mp in the 33x44 size.  And by 3-4 months it is January 2018, which would be a prime time for an announcement IMHO.

The big hitch is going to be announcing anything that directly competes with the -100c without upgrading it as well.  Roadmap says it's also on the list for next year, but do we want release dates to be dictated by the 150mp chip?  What's the valuation between a 100mp 33x44 compared to a 40x54? 

Would have been easier if Sony had staggered the MP's between the sizes.

I would think 100mp cropped sensor, not till Photokina.
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2017, 10:39:33 AM »

The thing is that P1 is in a bad situation due to the lack of mirrorless body in their line up. Today the IQ100 is probably their main money making powerhouse. Phase will certainly want to be the first company out with the 150mp chip, so Hasselblad cannot afford to announce their answer much later if they want to keep the H line up attractive for new entrants in China.

And as I said, I am pretty sure that they will propose an optional EVF for the H7D and so will P1 for the IQ4-150.

Cheers,
Bernard

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a full frame Digital Mamiya 7 emerge at Photokina or sometime in the future.
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2017, 10:48:26 AM »

For me at least, now we have the 100MP sensors, I'm not so interested in sensors anymore. I really like both the H and XF Platforms but I would love to see the Contax 645 live again.

I want to see lens development more than anything. I wish someone would bring out an all new and highly developed 80mm f2 or 1.8.

There is very little choice when it comes to Medium Format lens rendering. It all looks very same same. I miss Zeiss rendering in medium format. I would give anything for a new Zeiss Planar 110mm f2 and a Zeiss 80mm f2 Planar.
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 10:00:46 AM »

For me at least, now we have the 100MP sensors, I'm not so interested in sensors anymore. I really like both the H and XF Platforms but I would love to see the Contax 645 live again.

I want to see lens development more than anything. I wish someone would bring out an all new and highly developed 80mm f2 or 1.8.

There is very little choice when it comes to Medium Format lens rendering. It all looks very same same. I miss Zeiss rendering in medium format. I would give anything for a new Zeiss Planar 110mm f2 and a Zeiss 80mm f2 Planar.

Both the 110/2 and 80/2 can be used on the XF. The 80 requires remounting while the 110 only requires an adapter. Neither will provide AF (as used on the XF) and are only practical wide-open (though wide-open is the main reason, IMO, to use these lenses). Details in our Big Buttery Bokeh Lenses for Phase One blog series.

I too would love to see an ultra-fast portrait lens with distinctive wide-open rendering. I know Phase One knows this is a sorely missed item in the lineup, though I know they have pretty firmly internally said they will only release lenses that are extremely good and will last several sensor cycles (see the most recent releases of the 35LS-BR, 45LS-BR, 150/2.8LS-BR and 240LS-BR which are all magnificently good lenses), and doing a truly excellent super-fast portrait lens at 100+ megapixels would be a challenge. Time will tell!
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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 01:41:04 PM »

To me the difference is nearly invisible in 20x30 inch prints.

Heck, it is nearly invisible at 20x30 comparing the D850 to the H6D-100c...

Cheers,
Bernard

My sense is that the primary benefit of the forthcoming Sony 100mp cropped MF sensor will NOT be the increase in resolution over the current 50mp sensor used in the X1D and the GFX. It will be about speed. Reduced EVF blackout time, reduced shutter lag, faster AF, faster refresh rate allowing the use of upgraded EVFs.
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 04:29:21 PM »

My sense is that the primary benefit of the forthcoming Sony 100mp cropped MF sensor will NOT be the increase in resolution over the current 50mp sensor used in the X1D and the GFX. It will be about speed. Reduced EVF blackout time, reduced shutter lag, faster AF, faster refresh rate allowing the use of upgraded EVFs.

and large format raw video with various crops possible out of the same sensor ...

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Re: H6D60C price lowered. $14,995 (11,900 // 10,800 )
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 07:04:56 PM »

My sense is that the primary benefit of the forthcoming Sony 100mp cropped MF sensor will NOT be the increase in resolution over the current 50mp sensor used in the X1D and the GFX. It will be about speed. Reduced EVF blackout time, reduced shutter lag, faster AF, faster refresh rate allowing the use of upgraded EVFs.

Indeed, this would probably have more real world value for a large majority of photographers, even if it doesn't always help to sell cameras in the first place.

Cheers,
Bernard
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