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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2017, 04:27:23 AM »

The OP doesn't want the file rendered, he wants to open a DNG directly through LR (the edit in command).
It can't do it.

The OP didn't specify, but we can assume, that he still wants to use LR only for its DAM features. If that is the case, he'd need a means to use LR to send the Raw DNG directly to Affinity Photo for Raw conversion and processing. That is apparently not possible with LR.

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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2017, 04:44:13 AM »

The OP didn't specify, but we can assume, that he still wants to use LR only for its DAM features. If that is the case, he'd need a means to use LR to send the Raw DNG directly to Affinity Photo for Raw conversion and processing. That is apparently not possible with LR.

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Agreed it's best for him to post a feature request at the appropriate Adobe Forum for Feature Requests and Bug Fixes. See the link below.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightroom
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2017, 04:48:14 AM »

The OP didn't specify, but we can assume, that he still wants to use LR only for its DAM features. If that is the case, he'd need a means to use LR to send the Raw DNG directly to Affinity Photo for Raw conversion and processing. That is apparently not possible with LR.

No, it is possible in certain circumstances, as described above. It's just a waste of effort.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2017, 05:31:08 AM »

If you want to open the DNG itself, and only if you are on Mac, you can drag the DNG onto the other app's icon in the Dock. Or use that plugin.

So you can open the DNG itself, though you may as well adjust it entirely in LR and just use Affinity for Photoshop-style edits.

OK I am not a user of DNG myself but I am trying to keep informed.
What specifically are you saying and advising here?
If you drag the DNG file to the Affinity Application from the Lightroom film strip, it will open in Afinity?
Will Affinity apply any or all of metadata and edits applied in Lightroom and saved to the DNG file?
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2017, 06:06:47 AM »

OK I am not a user of DNG myself but I am trying to keep informed.
What specifically are you saying and advising here?

> If you drag the DNG file to the Affinity Application from the Lightroom film strip, it will open in Afinity?

Yes, as was said above, on a Mac you can drag a DNG onto any app in the Dock.

Sadly, on Windows Adobe have never enabled drag and drop to other apps. So on Windows, or if LR is in Full Screen mode (ie the Mac Dock is hidden), just use the plugin. For one app, it's free.

> Will Affinity apply any or all of metadata and edits applied in Lightroom and saved to the DNG file?

That wasn't the OPs question, of course. In any case, I don't use Affinity and can only answer generally. If you have saved metadata back to the DNG, it is possible for third party apps to read any metadata, even adjustment values, and also to display the adjusted preview that is embedded in the DNG. So in a third party app, you can see the results of your Lightroom edits. That's one advantage of DNG.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2017, 07:26:42 AM »

> If you drag the DNG file to the Affinity Application from the Lightroom film strip, it will open in Afinity?

Yes, as was said above, on a Mac you can drag a DNG onto any app in the Dock.

Sadly, on Windows Adobe have never enabled drag and drop to other apps. So on Windows, or if LR is in Full Screen mode (ie the Mac Dock is hidden), just use the plugin. For one app, it's free.

> Will Affinity apply any or all of metadata and edits applied in Lightroom and saved to the DNG file?

That wasn't the OPs question, of course. In any case, I don't use Affinity and can only answer generally. If you have saved metadata back to the DNG, it is possible for third party apps to read any metadata, even adjustment values, and also to display the adjusted preview that is embedded in the DNG. So in a third party app, you can see the results of your Lightroom edits. That's one advantage of DNG.

Ok John, many thanks for the clarification.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2017, 07:45:02 AM »

Thank you for your answers!
 especially Francisco, the Open Directly link was exactly what I needed.
Now my only concern is is to get my new TIFF fully develope back to Lightroom. I found a way it's a bit long but I will manage.

I also want to thank Rhossydd for holding the fort during my absence.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 09:49:57 AM »

You're still stubbornly missing the point. The OP doesn't want the file rendered, he wants to open a DNG directly through LR (the edit in command).
It can't do it.
You're still stubbornly missing the point! The OP can open the DNG in Affinity Photo. Affinity Photo can open DNG files, render them; done.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2017, 09:57:45 AM »

If you drag the DNG file to the Affinity Application from the Lightroom film strip, it will open in Afinity?
Will Affinity apply any or all of metadata and edits applied in Lightroom and saved to the DNG file?
Yes on Mac, yes on Windows if one simply uses the open command.
No, as I already described. LR can open (render) the DNG or a raw of course. So can Affinity. But each does so uniquely using their own proprietary raw processing. You can have two renderings of a DNG from each product. You can render in one and send to the other. There are various ways to do this.
What you can't do with a DNG or any raw file is send it from one raw converter like ACR/LR to another (Affinity) and maintain the processing from product A to product B as well. Pick one for raw rendering, period. Render, send it to the other product (it's not raw any longer). LR and Affinity are using unique and proprietary raw to rendered pixel processing. True with any raw converter.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 12:43:55 PM »

Hello!
 I'm trying to transfer DNG files from Lightroom 5 to Affinity Photo.
Since you're using DNG, see if you have these settings invoked and their possible features/options when moving DNG files around (the ability to maintain and extract a JPEG of the current proprietary rendering):
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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2017, 10:54:11 PM »

Yes on Mac, yes on Windows if one simply uses the open command.
No, as I already described. LR can open (render) the DNG or a raw of course. So can Affinity. But each does so uniquely using their own proprietary raw processing. You can have two renderings of a DNG from each product. You can render in one and send to the other. There are various ways to do this.
What you can't do with a DNG or any raw file is send it from one raw converter like ACR/LR to another (Affinity) and maintain the processing from product A to product B as well. Pick one for raw rendering, period. Render, send it to the other product (it's not raw any longer). LR and Affinity are using unique and proprietary raw to rendered pixel processing. True with any raw converter.

OK this is also my understanding.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2017, 03:54:58 PM »

Hello!
 I'm trying to transfer DNG files from Lightroom 5 to Affinity Photo. In Lightroom when I right click on the file I choose the software I want to use, after Lightroom gives me in file format only 3 choice  TIFF-PSD-JPEG. If I want to transfer a real DNG and not a conversion to TIFF I have to leave Lightroom and go in my main files which is annoying since i have many files to treat in many different folders. 
Thank for our your help!

Here's how I interpret the OP's request.

From Lightroom "Develop" or "Library" use "Edit In" which will create a DNG and send it to Affinity Photo. 

This approach is possible if you choose TIFF, PSD or JPG in the configuration "Preferences" "External Editors" in Lightroom.  DNG is NOT an option for this.  Therefore Lightroom won't perform the task he's looking for with "Edit In". 
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2017, 01:48:14 AM »

I'll also vouch for the fact that what the OP wants to do is NOT possible in the fashion he mentions.

He apparently does NOT want or care if any LR adjustments are present in the sent DNG.  He wants to just use "Edit In" when right-clicking an image in the grid, filmstrip, loupe, develop module, etc..  And to 'send/push' (semantics) the plain original DNG straight to Affinity without any adjustments..  He does NOT want to send a rendered file to Affinity, PERIOD -- just the original [DNG] file.

This is plainly just not possible in this particular fashion.  While it's true that there are many ways to skin a cat, this is one way in which the cat can NOT be skinned.  It would need to be a feature request.

The only [universal] ways I know can do this are via plugins or export "As Original" (or also as DNG, for DNG files).  For instance, there is a plugin for DXO to send the original file to DXO and then bring the rendered file back into LR - and also ones for ON1, Photomatix, and possibly others too.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2017, 10:28:36 AM »

DNG is NOT an option for this.  Therefore Lightroom won't perform the task he's looking for with "Edit In".
IT can't be an option, it's a DNG which is raw data in this context. The raw HAS to be rendered to appear in Affinity, Photoshop or anything else that can't decode raw data! Now like ACR inside of Photoshop, Affinity can do so. There's nothing to pass within a DNG expect maybe proprietary instructions; you can do this between ACR and LR, two Adobe products. And you can't with Affinity or any non Adobe products.


It's like asking why LR can't pass an illustrator file to that product as a bitmap instead of a vector. There are at least two major reasons why LR can't do this. Both having to do with the file formats.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2017, 10:29:29 AM »

He apparently does NOT want or care if any LR adjustments are present in the sent DNG.  He wants to just use "Edit In" when right-clicking an image in the grid, filmstrip, loupe, develop module, etc..  And to 'send/push' (semantics) the plain original DNG straight to Affinity without any adjustments..  He does NOT want to send a rendered file to Affinity, PERIOD -- just the original [DNG] file.
HE (and I) can do this; open the DNG in Affinity.
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Re: DNG transfer from Lightroom to 3rd party software
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2017, 02:21:35 PM »

The raw HAS to be rendered to appear in Affinity, Photoshop or anything else that can't decode raw data!
But back in reply #3 you said;
Affinity Photo will open a DNG. Not sure what the problem is.
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2017, 10:01:56 PM »

But back in reply #3 you said;
Correct. Affinity renders the raw.
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