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Rob C

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #960 on: January 11, 2018, 06:38:17 AM »

I think it goes well past desire... or it's desire that has been so mutilated and deformed that it has turned into something much worse.
What I've observed on the street is young men shouting at women with hatred in their voices; referring to others as sluts and whores.

I'm sure it's a natural consequence of telling young men and women that the intense desires they are feeling are sinful and will condemn them to hell: they hate themselves, so they hate those who they see as temptation.

In France, what is happening on the streets is mainly about young men from a Muslim background. From what I've read, 50 years ago in the UK it was Irishmen: different religion, same cause. It has nothing to do with Weinstein et al, except that they believe they can get away with it. The kids are running in gangs and taking pleasure in doing what they've been told they mustn't do... the Weinsteiners have learnt that they have so much power that women will not say no. There is sense in the phrase "drunk on power"

As for Deneuve... it's a long time since she was a young woman walking across a public space in the less exclusive areas of a big city.

Of course, religion has a part when you're talking about a clash of cultures, but the Catholic Irish and the Baptist Americans and Australians to which latters' tender mercies I was exposed from the age of about twelve, though they are diametrically opposed on religious grounds, just as the internecine-warring Moslems, they are united in the condemnation of pleasure. I simply don't get it: if it boils down to nothing more than the dangers of pregnancy, why the hell don't they just say so and nobody in their right mind would argue. But no, it gets mixed up with all manner of different aspects of life. Maybe in the case of the latter grouping, they get what they appear to get as a wrapped package, which might bring with it as many shocks as pleasant surprises. I can understand they might dislike anyone else having the opportunity to try before they buy, as it were. But equally, who can blame them totally when one sees some of the non-Moslem people behave exactly as the cows they sometimes get called by some Moslem hotheads? Life in a holiday resort is quite revealing of one's fellow tribe and it's behaviour patterns when away from home and possible observation.

However, nothing excuses violence and intimidation. There have been notorious cases of gangs of Pakistani-origination men in England abusing young white girls; apparently, though they were eventually tried and jailed, the ethic continues, and it seems that the reason is that the police are afraid to get too close because of the knee-jerk public and press noise about racial discrimination. I mean, as with the stop/search thing, it only happens more to specific groups because the figures show that's where the problems exist to a disproportionate degree. As with security searches at airports, guys and women who look and dress the part are more likely to enjoy the undivided attention of staff who have historical reasons to think those people enjoy, and think exploding aircraft to be desirable. My son and I used to be very frequent fliers during the early 80s, and we both wore jeans and I a beard. We would be stopped at Glasgow Airport every single time, and I know why: dress codes. I even joked with one officer about it, but he simply smiled and checked the cases thoroughly. I had no beef with that  - if we wanted to look like hippies on an Amex card, that was the price we had to be prepared to pay for that pleasure. And no, I'm all for stringent security at airports.

But Catherine: she doesn't have to be a walker of dingy streets: she was/is in the movie business since forever, and could hardly have escaped the system; her interest in the matter must relate to showbiz as it does for the women in black. Expanded altruism for the lesser-blessed (read less ambitious wannabe showbiz types) women strikes me as nothing more than what Deneuve condemns it for being. Even Mrs Worthington was advised not to let her daughter near the stage!

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #961 on: January 11, 2018, 04:24:03 PM »

As close as I get to two wheels.

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #962 on: January 12, 2018, 04:28:46 AM »

Or one ball...
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Rob C

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #963 on: January 12, 2018, 04:34:28 AM »

I'd have bought a shirt like hers in the sixties or even the seventies.

Nice shot, by the way, that improves with magnification: it's the Hans Feurer background effect.

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The Louis Faurer book arrived today - something for the weekend, sir...
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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #964 on: January 12, 2018, 09:34:53 AM »

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« Reply #965 on: January 12, 2018, 10:11:49 AM »

Wow. Very nice, Patricia.

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #966 on: January 12, 2018, 10:54:37 AM »

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #967 on: January 12, 2018, 03:35:35 PM »

Of course, religion has a part when you're talking about a clash of cultures, but the Catholic Irish and the Baptist Americans and Australians to which latters' tender mercies I was exposed from the age of about twelve, though they are diametrically opposed on religious grounds, just as the internecine-warring Moslems, they are united in the condemnation of pleasure.

Yes. Separate sex from procreation, thus removing all necessity from it, and among other things you'll find out where & what people are actually getting their pleasure from and what exactly the nature of that pleasure is.

Some people get off on denying and condemning.

Oh, one other thing: sexbots.

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #968 on: January 12, 2018, 04:03:43 PM »

I've been reprocessing some of my Kodachrome digitizations (from 2013 via Olympus E-M5 camera & 60mm macro lens) in Affinity Photo on my iPad. This one is from Luxor, Egypt, May or June 1984. I can't remember if it was a bus or train station. Maybe both. I do remember feeling really crappy on the day…I had hepatitis A but didn't yet know it. Camera & lens were a Canon AE-1 and 50/1.4. Pretty sure I'd run out of K25 by then so this is almost certainly K64.

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« Reply #969 on: January 12, 2018, 07:00:21 PM »

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« Reply #970 on: January 12, 2018, 10:41:16 PM »

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #971 on: January 12, 2018, 11:52:52 PM »

And another winner, Patricia!
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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #972 on: January 13, 2018, 09:12:19 AM »

Patricia's 2997 shot is indeed Tolkinian :-)

I seem to have accidentally created a series on chairs, or one chair in particular. Here is its latest appearance:
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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #973 on: January 13, 2018, 11:59:13 AM »

Patricia's 2997 shot is indeed Tolkinian :-)

I seem to have accidentally created a series on chairs, or one chair in particular. Here is its latest appearance:


Well, I'll grant you this: as fetish it out-values Ms Coke, because at least you can sit on it without risking life, not to mention disgrace at the local hospital.

Regarding the Louis Faurer purchase: as you'd expect from Steidl, you get a wonderful print job. Nice paper, and the inks have a glow that I like. The text is also interesting and quite descripitve, but the images disappointed me. Oh, there's nothing wrong with them at all, and very reminiscent of the Leiter b/white pairing, but as my knowledge of his work has been mostly inspired by his efforts for the two fashion bibles, it comes as a huge disappointment to find no fashion work therein. The text refers to a dearth of such material surviving, yet the Internet is replete with his fashion work, and he uses a few of the same girls that did William Klein for his fashion shoots. Every bit as beautiful (and considering lack of Photoshop at the time), if not even more so than do our own era's supermodels, those ladies looked like class, not just expensive glamour. The proverbial duchess, as it might be said, which has, again, not a lot to do with duchesses at all, though I have to say that the Spanish Queen is some elegant lady!

Had this book been physically visible and not bought on the Internet, would I have bought it? Perhaps, but not at the first look at it. There are other publications I would rather have sprung for, but c'est la vie. And thinking of springing, maybe Steidl could have provided a dust jacket...but they do include a little ribbon for marking your page. Hmmm.

Another thing that I found strange: though the same gallery that represents Leiter also contributed to the book, nowhere is there mention of Leiter, though there is of Eggleston, which seems more than a little perverse. Yes, Robert Frank and Arbus as well as Helen Levitt are mentioned along with others of that NY School, but no Leiter. Distinctly and disturbingly odd. I wonder what political games are afoot there!

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #974 on: January 13, 2018, 01:56:21 PM »


Well, I'll grant you this: as fetish it out-values Ms Coke, because at least you can sit on it without risking life, not to mention disgrace at the local hospital.

Not entirely : this chair is in fact not the same as the earlier chair... I removed it from the spare room when I decided to clean it out and declare it the studio. Its duties for the last few years were limited to holding up boxes of paper, because the back will fall off with even minor encouragement. Otoh, hypothetical injuries would be more easily explained.

One of the challenges of making one's home. Did I post this one before?
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« Reply #975 on: January 13, 2018, 02:01:05 PM »

I can't remember if it was a bus or train station.

The descending stairwell to the left suggests trains. What I find striking is how much it reminds me of the Station Françia on the north side of Barcelona: not the painting, but the proportions of the space. There must be a generic form to train-station ticket-halls... or not.
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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #976 on: January 13, 2018, 03:35:55 PM »

On the subject of recent book purchases, I plunged for Crewdson's Cathedral of the Pines. I'm very happy with it, even if I'm not convinced his production budget was really necessary, other than for creating a story to market the photos. Oh well, you have to spend money to make money, musn't go spoiling the industrial adages...  :D
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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #977 on: January 13, 2018, 03:52:02 PM »

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #978 on: January 13, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »

On the subject of recent book purchases, I plunged for Crewdson's Cathedral of the Pines. I'm very happy with it, even if I'm not convinced his production budget was really necessary, other than for creating a story to market the photos. Oh well, you have to spend money to make money, musn't go spoiling the industrial adages...  :D


Spend money to make money. Yes, spend client money, not your own. I was just thinking about this the other day when I opened the cabinet and saw the D700 wrapped up in its dish towel, almost never used (the camera) because the other one, though a lesser creature, has some mojo about it, just like Norman Parkinson's magic hats. The thought registered that of the many bits of glass and stuff that I bought after retiring, most of it lies unused, the one that sees most daylight being the af G version of the 1.8/50mm. It's the case, because on the D200 it is a 75mm equivalent, even if still a bit shorter than I'd have liked. An 85mm would be handy instead, giving me a bit more reach without going to the 180mm which becomes too obvious at times. The wonderful 105 Micro and fantastic 2.8/135 are manual focus, and off a tripod I may as well just go feed the nag. My beloved 500 reflex has nobody to grace, around whom to create halos of glory; it just sulks silently in its leather case. Which reminds me: Nikkors all used to come in clever, clear Perspex cases or in leather ones. Today, you are lucky to get the cardboard box. Maybe Leica does it better, but never having bought one, I don't know.

The book I should have bought, though I forgot about it when I ordered the Faurer, was the Ernst Haas one called Color Corrections. Age, the bitch!

But hey, you gotta hang on in there and think of something else. That's where music saves your hide.

Rob

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Re: Without Prejudice 3
« Reply #979 on: January 13, 2018, 05:35:39 PM »

Not entirely : this chair is in fact not the same as the earlier chair... I removed it from the spare room when I decided to clean it out and declare it the studio. Its duties for the last few years were limited to holding up boxes of paper, because the back will fall off with even minor encouragement. Otoh, hypothetical injuries would be more easily explained.

One of the challenges of making one's home. Did I post this one before?


Not that I remember, you didn't, but I'm glad that you did. You really do have a great eye for city stuff.

Rob
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