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A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« on: June 25, 2017, 03:00:16 pm »

I think he'd understand this one.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 03:52:37 am »

I'm not sure I "understand" it, Russ, but I like the sky.

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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 04:00:25 am »

I also like the sky but fail to understand. Well, it's early in the morning  ;)
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 04:10:08 am »

Or black and whitish Stephen Shore.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 05:00:16 am »

Home sweet home?

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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 09:07:00 am »

Hi Elliot,

I'll have to confess that "New Mexico, 1957" is the one that made the classic lower-middle-class American low-rise bungalow with uncut grass catch my eye. In color it's an absolute nothing, but in B&W it epitomizes something I find in almost all of Garry's pictures: a fundamental grasp of human intersection with reality -- something that's missing in pretty landscapes, sunsets, cat pictures, etc. It's impossible to explain this in words. Perhaps in poetry, but only with great difficulty. But it's there, and anyone really familiar with Garry's work will understand what I'm saying in that picture.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2017, 09:49:59 am »

For me, your picture is more reminiscent of Robert Adams. Winogrand nearly always has people in his images. Adams does not, but he always depicts the human impact on the environment. Perhaps he is a landscape photographer you could appreciate?
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2017, 01:00:49 pm »

Hi Elliot,

My problem with Adams is that he's mostly making political points with his photographs of primitive communities. Garry didn't do that kind of thing. He loved human foibles. He laughed at them. He didn't denigrate them. I think Adams tends to denigrate them.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2017, 04:30:59 pm »

Or black and whitish Stephen Shore.

Missed that one, Bob. But, no, I don't think Winogrand is anything like Shore. I'm not very familiar with Shore, but it strikes me he's closer to Diane Arbus than to Garry.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2017, 12:46:19 pm »

I like this one. The car is the evidence that the home is merely neglected, not abandoned, though the car also dates the photo as more recent.

I do confess I wish there were some object in the yard or on the sidewalk. :)
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 11:14:14 am »

Missed that one, Bob. But, no, I don't think Winogrand is anything like Shore. I'm not very familiar with Shore, but it strikes me he's closer to Diane Arbus than to Garry.

Shore closer to Arbus? If that is what you meant then NO not at all, then the comparison doesn't hold.

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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 03:39:00 pm »

As I said, I'm not that familiar with Shore. I'd have to spend more time with the pictures to be able to argue the point.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 05:26:33 pm »

As I said, I'm not that familiar with Shore. I'd have to spend more time with the pictures to be able to argue the point.

No need to argue ...
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 06:11:50 pm »

Okay. Then you accept my judgment.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2017, 03:54:28 pm »

Okay. Then you accept my judgment.

Perhaps this will help educate you:

http://stephenshore.net/index.php

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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2017, 04:40:56 pm »

Been there already. Still don't agree. His stuff is sketchy. He jumps from one kind of feeling to another. Garry shot a lot of different subjects but the internal feeling was pretty consistent. It was the internal feeling I get from this picture.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2017, 07:47:39 pm »

Hi Elliot,

I'll have to confess that "New Mexico, 1957" is the one that made the classic lower-middle-class American low-rise bungalow with uncut grass catch my eye. In color it's an absolute nothing, but in B&W it epitomizes something I find in almost all of Garry's pictures: a fundamental grasp of human intersection with reality -- something that's missing in pretty landscapes, sunsets, cat pictures, etc. It's impossible to explain this in words. Perhaps in poetry, but only with great difficulty. But it's there, and anyone really familiar with Garry's work will understand what I'm saying in that picture.

Good point about Winogrand's sensibility. His pictures show what you wrote, "...a fundamental grasp of human intersection with reality."
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2017, 07:51:54 pm »

I figured you'd understand it, Bob, because I see it in your work too.
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Re: A Salute to Garry Winogrand
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2017, 12:42:53 am »

That's a great way to describe it, Russ: " a fundamental grasp of human intersection with reality."
I agree that it describes what I like in Garry's work and Bob's and yours as well.

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