Pages: [1] 2   Go Down

Author Topic: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0  (Read 2761 times)

Doug Gray

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 595
X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« on: May 16, 2017, 03:40:44 PM »

I1Profiler update fixes high res monitor. No more squinting!
Logged

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 03:51:11 PM »

Really? I updated mine to 1.7 and that GUI is still a load of crap; probably one of the most eye-straining, counter-intuitive piles of rubbish I've seen from the imaging industry. And my eyes are 20/20 corrected, display is NEC PA271W. It makes great profiles, but man do they ever need schooling on design. OK, you've triggered another one of my X-Rite rants; I'll stop there just to keep it polite.  :-)
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Doug Gray

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 595
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 04:17:06 PM »

Really? I updated mine to 1.7 and that GUI is still a load of crap; probably one of the most eye-straining, counter-intuitive piles of rubbish I've seen from the imaging industry. And my eyes are 20/20 corrected, display is NEC PA271W. It makes great profiles, but man do they ever need schooling on design. OK, you've triggered another one of my X-Rite rants; I'll stop there just to keep it polite.  :-)

I use a CG318 4096x2160 on a Win 10 and man did I have to squint with V1.6.7. This update makes it look like my other apps. Adobe Bridge had that problem too but they fixed it last year. Other than the tiny fonts, I don't find I1Profiler's layout too much of an issue. But I do wish they would provide more documentation on what exactly many of their sliders do. A technical description instead of generic, flowery words which mean different things to different people. That's my biggest grip. Same with Photoshop and all their "blend" modes with unclear descriptions.
Logged

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 04:28:14 PM »

Yes, the lack of a manual for that application is one of its biggest shortcomings. I've addressed that issue with them, the tech support people agree, but it won't be undertaken. Means spending money. Their help menus are close to useless. They do have some decent White Papers on their website, but it isn't a substitute for a good manual taking one through the purpose and workings of every option in the application. At least with Photoshop there's a slew of good third-party books and videos, but the clientele for this X-Rite stuff is probably too small (and the clientele for a manual smaller yet) to make a manual pay for itself. Whoever writes it will need to put in real time, so selling enough copies to recuperate the value of the time at a reasonable price would be a real risk.
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Rand47

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1017
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 04:55:07 PM »

Really? I updated mine to 1.7 and that GUI is still a load of crap; probably one of the most eye-straining, counter-intuitive piles of rubbish I've seen from the imaging industry. And my eyes are 20/20 corrected, display is NEC PA271W. It makes great profiles, but man do they ever need schooling on design. OK, you've triggered another one of my X-Rite rants; I'll stop there just to keep it polite.  :-)

Mark,

Curious as to why you wouldn't use NEC's Spectraview II to profile their monitor?

Rand
Logged
Rand Scott Adams

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 05:27:37 PM »

Mark,

Curious as to why you wouldn't use NEC's Spectraview II to profile their monitor?

Rand

I don't use X-Rite software either for monitor profiling. I use BasicColor.
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

jrsforums

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 937
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 07:05:38 PM »

I don't use X-Rite software either for monitor profiling. I use BasicColor.

Mark, can you explain why you use BasicColor?
Logged
John

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 07:28:57 PM »

Mark, can you explain why you use BasicColor?

More accurate profiles.
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Rand47

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1017
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 08:28:52 PM »

More accurate profiles.

Hi Mark,

Interesting.  How/why have you come to the conclusion that BasicColor makes better monitor profiles than NEC's "own software" for the monitors they manufacture?  Not being argumentative here, am in learning mode!

Rand

PS - Apologies to the OP for dragging the thread off main point.
Logged
Rand Scott Adams

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 10:07:56 PM »

Comparison of dE results from round-tripping the profiles, and visual observation. 
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

jrsforums

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 937
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 11:18:50 PM »

Comparison of dE results from round-tripping the profiles, and visual observation.

We're talking monitor profiles?
Logged
John

howardm

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1818
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 07:30:56 AM »

BasICColor is the only other sw package (AFAIK) that can actually do hardware level calibration on NEC panels. 

It is what is sold in Europe (or not USA) as Spectraview.

Mark:  could you post your #s or dE comparison results?

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 07:45:16 AM »

We're talking monitor profiles?

Yes
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 07:51:56 AM »

BasICColor is the only other sw package (AFAIK) that can actually do hardware level calibration on NEC panels. 

It is what is sold in Europe (or not USA) as Spectraview.

Mark:  could you post your #s or dE comparison results?

Wish I could, but I can't - it was years ago and I don't have the data any longer.

BTW, BasicColor is what NEC bundles with what were called the "Reference" series displays in Europe. These were more expensive units of what NEC America told me is the same panel but with the  BasicColor software and a performance certificate.
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Royce Howland

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 130
    • Vivid Aspect Photography
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 10:49:37 AM »

On the subject of i1Profiler 1.7.0, I've been using it since it was released and have no trouble so far. In fact, I used to have frequent crashes under 1.6.x during multi-page printer test chart scanning, while now (touch wood) I have not yet had the application crash or hang once. I'm hoping they've finally corrected some of the basic instability that used to be in there...

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 10:54:21 AM »

On the subject of i1Profiler 1.7.0, I've been using it since it was released and have no trouble so far. In fact, I used to have frequent crashes under 1.6.x during multi-page printer test chart scanning, while now (touch wood) I have not yet had the application crash or hang once. I'm hoping they've finally corrected some of the basic instability that used to be in there...

My experience is the same. With 1.6 it periodically crashed just at the outset of the profile creation process; to protect against this nuisance I always saved the Workflow up to the point of creating the profile so that when it did crash it would not be necessary to rescan the target pages - just relaunch, pull up the Workflow and carry on. So far with 1.7 there have been no such crashes.
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Royce Howland

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 130
    • Vivid Aspect Photography
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 11:00:59 AM »

Same here, Mark. I always save my workflow, post-scanning but prior to generating the profile. So far, I haven't needed to reload once due to a failure of the software. Hope this trend continues... :)

Mark D Segal

  • Contributor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9961
    • http://www.markdsegal.com
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 11:07:14 AM »

..........Hope this trend continues... :)

Me too!
Logged
Mark D Segal (formerly MarkDS)
Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8....." http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/scanning_workflows_with_silverfast_8.shtml

Rand47

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1017
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 12:21:16 PM »

BasICColor is the only other sw package (AFAIK) that can actually do hardware level calibration on NEC panels. 

It is what is sold in Europe (or not USA) as Spectraview.

Mark:  could you post your #s or dE comparison results?

Ah, now I get it.  Thanks!

Rand
Logged
Rand Scott Adams

howardm

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1818
Re: X-Rite I1Profiler Update. Vers 1.7.0
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 02:02:50 PM »

I have a copy of BasICColor and SV.  I should do a bake-off.
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up