Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Down

Author Topic: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)  (Read 3420 times)

shadowblade

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1835
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 06:25:31 AM »

The D820 looks like it might be a good reason to stick with Nikon if you already have Nikon lenses, but not a reason to jump ship to Nikon if you're currently running Canon or Sony, or if (like me at the moment) you have no camera equipment whatsoever.

Going on Canon's and Sony's technical progress over the last few years, it seems almost certain that the A9r/A7r3 and the 5Ds2 will have the D820 soundly beaten as a camera for landscape/studio/other non-action subjects, unless Nikon can blindside the competition with a 70+ MP sensor with 15 stops of DR (which is essentially what they did last time with the 36MP Exmor, against the 22MP 5D3 and its banding shadow noise).
Logged

kers

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1499
    • Pieter Kers
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 07:22:13 AM »

The D820 looks like it might be a good reason to stick with Nikon if you already have Nikon lenses, but not a reason to jump ship to Nikon if you're currently running Canon or Sony, or if (like me at the moment) you have no camera equipment whatsoever.

Going on Canon's and Sony's technical progress over the last few years, it seems almost certain that the A9r/A7r3 and the 5Ds2 will have the D820 soundly beaten as a camera for landscape/studio/other non-action subjects, unless Nikon can blindside the competition with a 70+ MP sensor with 15 stops of DR (which is essentially what they did last time with the 36MP Exmor, against the 22MP 5D3 and its banding shadow noise).

Over the years Nikon has always been a bit behind, but always came up with very solid cameras without major weaknesses;
It is a different company approach that is also reflected in keeping the bajonet compatible with all their lenses.
When i bought the solid and elegant Nikon FE i could have chosen the Canon A1- a completely different camera filled with buttons and in a way more modern.
Sony manages to put lots of new material out. Maybe they rush forward a bit too much to control the quality. Like Sigma on lenses they are aggressively pushing the boundaries- a good thing.
I think that Nikon is now going through a company change from DSLR to more electronic EVF cameras. They have shown that they can make good EVF cameras - i have a very nice J5 to prove it.
The megapixel race is not that important beyond 36MP. It is like 4K video vs 1080P. Only with certain type of photography and printed display you see the 36MP.
I have a lot of perfect large images- what is missing is the outlet to show them in all their quality.
I think the major weakness of Nikon is on the side of software. it is not on the same level as the hardware/firmware.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2017, 09:42:56 AM by kers »
Logged
Pieter Kers
www.beeld.nu

Otto Phocus

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 633
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2017, 08:19:15 AM »

Shadowblade,

I think that for the majority of photographers, all the major camera manufacturers make excellent cameras.  The practical differences are so slight that personal preference probably has more influence in the selection.

Pick whatever camera you like, it will be a good one and you can then start working on your technique to take advantage of what the camera can do.

I know that in my situation, my camera is not the weakest link in the photographic system.  :-[

The best time to buy a camera is always two to three years from now
The best time to practice your photographic technique is right now

Logged
I shoot with a Camera Obscura with an optical device attached that refracts and transmits light.

shadowblade

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1835
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2017, 09:50:22 AM »

Technique and gear have nothing to do with each other.

If you think technique is all that matters, go and shoot with an iPhone. If you think that technique trumps gear, take that iPhone shot of a landscape against a setting sun, with action happening in the foreground, and print it as a 40x120" panorama, to be viewed close-up.

If your subjects and display methods are well within the technical limits of any gear, gear may not matter much to you. But if many of your shots and prints are running up against the technical limits of the gear, things like DR, resolution, ISO capability, etc. are real tradeoffs.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2017, 09:54:36 AM by shadowblade »
Logged

BernardLanguillier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 10245
    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/sets/
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2017, 05:36:47 PM »

Talking about Nikon lens quality; there is still much to desired .
the best example is the mediocre  1.4g 50mm lens introduced with the D3x camera. At that time they should have made a lens in line with the 105mm f1.4 .
Now a decade later there is still nothing better? 
I am very happy Sigma jumped in with the ART line.
I am sure Nikon has the power to make beautiful lenses as you stated. In 2016 they made a nice turn introducing very nice lenses indeed, like the superlight 300pf lens that makes very beautiful rendered images.

True, the 50mm f1.4 is sub-par but you have to look hard to find such examples in their line up. All of their cheap and compact f1.8 lenses are excellent (the 85mm f1.8 and 24mm f1.4 stand out in particular), the 300 f4 PF is indeed brilliant,...

What I find puzzling is the difference of business results btw Nikon and Canon when the facts show that today Nikon has the better cameras and overall the better lenses.

Cheers,
Bernard
Logged
A few images online here!

hogloff

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 138
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2017, 11:37:45 PM »

Until something more shiny comes a few years later :)

Or until the new kid on the block is mirrorless, leaving DSLR's to slowly fade away.
Logged

Ray

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9655
Re: Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor)
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2017, 04:33:45 AM »

I'm one of those who likes to see reality as reflected in a mirror, as opposed to a digital concoction.

My main concerns about any new camera, are weight, megapixel count, dynamic range, focussing accuracy, lens compatibility with the lenses I already own, cost, and general ease of use.

Having jumped from Canon to Nikon, I'm not keen on jumping again to Sony.
Logged

BJL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5728
Nikon D820 (more convincing rumor) gear vs technique, yet again
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2017, 11:38:16 AM »

Shadowblade,
If you think technique is all that matters, go and shoot with an iPhone.  . . .
your reply refutes the bizarrely common, absurd and extreme dogma that technique is everything and gear is nothing, but the post you replied to was not saying that:
... I think that for the majority of photographers, all the major camera manufacturers make excellent cameras.  The practical differences are so slight that personal preference probably has more influence in the selection. ...
So what happens when we limit the comparison to the best ILC cameras from various makers, or to comparing the best cameras of each brand in a given format, leaving aside extremes like phone cameras and small sensor compacts? My guess is that within a format, the results achieved by most (but not all) photographers in most (but not all) situations will depend far more on their technique than on their equipment.

But I do not like either/or, all-or-nothing comparisons. I prefer to think of the "gamut" of a camera: the range of situations where its results are about as good as can be got with any gear.  Phone camera have a far smaller gamut than ILCs, and my modest MFT kit has a smaller gamut than the best available in formats 36x24mm and up, but there is a healthy range of cases (like some scenes without extreme subject brightness range, little or no subject motion, where large DOF is desired, and to be viewed "normally", not with pixel-peeping scrutiny) that fit in the gamut of even good phone cameras, and many more that fit the gamut of my MFT kit.  That is not to say that more demanding cases make greater demands on both gear and technique!
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Up