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New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« on: April 19, 2017, 01:59:56 PM »

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9

DSLRs may finally have met their match and then some...
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 02:02:23 PM »

Working on an article now.  Very impressive camera and I think the beginning of a new line of cameras for Sony.  100-400mm lens impressive.  I'll be shooting with this camera all day tomorrow.  More later.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 02:09:06 PM »

A9R no doubt on the way...

The A9 will change how some pros work. Silent shooting will be a game changer for many fields of photography...

Look forward to your review...
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 02:46:44 PM »

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Battery Life (Still Images) Approx. 480 shots (Viewfinder) / approx. 650 shots (LCD monitor) (CIPA standard)

So you can shoot at 20FPS for almost a minute?
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 03:01:36 PM »

So you can shoot at 20FPS for almost a minute?

"CIPA standard" would be a set of standard shooting periods, AF operations, shutter operations. They state on that page:

"The LCD screen is turned on, shot once every 30 seconds, operate zoom alternately between W and T ends, flash strobe once every two times, turn power off and on once every ten times."

In 20FPS mode you have no mechanical shutter. The period of live view and or viewfinder would be limited. Therefore you should be able to shoot more than the standard is measuring...


http://www.cipa.jp/index_e.html

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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 05:30:03 PM »

Fascinating stuff! I love the way Sony is pushing the barriers.

The key for me though will be the AF performance compared to the D5, and availability of a lightweight 400mm f2.8.

The a7 was far behind on moving subjects, let's see how much better the a9 is. The 25% claim worries me a bit.

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Bernard
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 06:08:27 PM »

I will be shooting all day with this tomorrow.  Based on what I have seen and from what I have been told the AF is amazingly fast.  As always really need to wait for a production unit for a real test.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 06:35:33 PM »

I will be shooting all day with this tomorrow.  Based on what I have seen and from what I have been told the AF is amazingly fast.  As always really need to wait for a production unit for a real test.

I am sure it is amazing on static subjects, the real challenge is fast moving ones under varying light situations.

But I sure hope that the a9 performs well in these situations too.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 08:43:09 PM »

I have long suspected that Canon (and probably Nikon) has been developing good EVF camera technology, but holding back on putting it into higher-end EVF cameras so long as such products would cannibalize their SLR sales more than they would win new sales or avoid losing sales to a competitor.  If the Sony A9 lives up to its promise, with C-AF that works well at the high frame rates, that competitive threat is now much larger, and it is time for Canon and Nikon to fully enter the era of "all-electronic cameras".
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 09:27:59 PM »

Sony promises us a day that will challenge the a9.  We will start with ice hockey and figure skating then in the afternoon they aren't saying anything other than it is one of the biggest photo events they have ever done.   Photos are embargoed until the end of next week for whatever reason but look for a report by end of next week.   I have to say based on my experience today that this camera is a performer tomorrow should be a good test. Exciting times. 
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 10:38:58 PM »

So you can shoot at 20FPS for almost a minute?
I think the buffer is limited to 240 Raw images, didn't pay attention to the JPEG limit.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 04:05:11 AM »

Looking forward to the report. It is great to see that Sony continues to push the boundaries. All it requires now to be taken seriously by pros:

1. More long lenses (a slow 100-400 zoom is really not ground-breaking);

2. Robust support for pros, a-la Canon CPS.

P.S. I suppose this is just a detail, but this thread should be on the "Compact system cameras" forum, which is dedicated to mirrorless. Otherwise, just merge it with this one?

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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2017, 06:02:23 AM »

Kevin Raber,
                    If there was any chance you could have a look in the menu and see if Sony has offered any other "aspect ratios" other than the standard 3:2, that would be amazing! 

I would love to see a 5:4 offered but would be happy with those that are in the RX1R2 (3:2, 1:1, 4:3 and 16:9).

Hopefully Sony has implemented these in the the new A9!  Had a chance to try the Fuji GFX and the various aspect ratios in that camera is seriously impressive..

Thanks so much in advance, look forward to hearing your thoughts :)
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 06:06:53 AM »

Can't wait for the A9r.

Going for the action-oriented A9 first is a big gamble. Sony is up against Canon and Nikon in their strongest area - high-speed action photography. Not only does the AF have to be up to par, but they also need fast, long lenses. I doubt Sony will score a big win here. They may build up their credibility in this field and tear a few users away (probably the 'photojournalist'-type photographers rather than the dedicated action shooters) but are unlikely to carve out a big market for themselves, at least with this first model.

The A9r will be a much easier win for Sony. It's up against the 5D4, 5Ds/r (and successor) and D810 (and successor) - cameras with solid general-purpose AF systems capable of shooting action competently, but not specialised in it. Sony already holds the sensor card, and it'll be easier for the AF system to match the 5D4 or D810 than to match the 1Dx2 or D5. It's quite possible - likely, even - that the A9r will beat all of these cameras in every respect.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 09:11:25 AM »

Looking forward to the report. It is great to see that Sony continues to push the boundaries. All it requires now to be taken seriously by pros:

1. More long lenses (a slow 100-400 zoom is really not ground-breaking);

2. Robust support for pros, a-la Canon CPS.

P.S. I suppose this is just a detail, but this thread should be on the "Compact system cameras" forum, which is dedicated to mirrorless. Otherwise, just merge it with this one?

You are implying Pro sports photographers right. For everything else like weddings, portraits, photo journalists, event photography...these are already being shot by pro's and the A9 will just step up their game.

Shooting events like plays or speeches or wedding in total silence will be a game changer.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2017, 09:27:13 AM »

You are implying Pro sports photographers right. For everything else like weddings, portraits, photo journalists, event photography...these are already being shot by pro's and the A9 will just step up their game.

Shooting events like plays or speeches or wedding in total silence will be a game changer.

Yep, I think that this is the real target and it is probably a much wider market that top sports pros shooting with the super tele.

This may also be the last carry around camera anyone would ever need, so incredibly closer to the ideal Leica camera than the M ever could dream of being. No doubt that this is what HCB would be shooting with if he were alive... in June when it ships.

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2017, 09:53:28 AM »

I wonder how fast autofocus will be with adapted Canon lenses.  That might be an interesting solution for the long telephoto and all the other niche specialty glass that Sony doesn't cater to.  Everyone I know personally that shoots Sony A7/S/R series don't own any Sony glass.  They are using all Canon lenses. 
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2017, 09:59:06 AM »

Yep, I think that this is the real target and it is probably a much wider market that top sports pros shooting with the super tele.

This may also be the last carry around camera anyone would ever need, so incredibly closer to the ideal Leica camera than the M ever could dream of being. No doubt that this is what HCB would be shooting with if he were alive... in June when it ships.

Cheers,
Bernard

Yes, that was what I was implying, fast action photogs in general, being sports or wildlife.

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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2017, 10:21:34 AM »

You are implying Pro sports photographers right. For everything else like weddings, portraits, photo journalists, event photography...these are already being shot by pro's and the A9 will just step up their game.

Shooting events like plays or speeches or wedding in total silence will be a game changer.

Don't forget video! This is finally starting to look like the future we were promised many years ago when mirrorless bodies started flooding the market.
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Re: New SONY α9 featuring full-frame stacked CMOS sensor
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2017, 11:39:10 AM »

I wonder how fast autofocus will be with adapted Canon lenses.  That might be an interesting solution for the long telephoto and all the other niche specialty glass that Sony doesn't cater to.  Everyone I know personally that shoots Sony A7/S/R series don't own any Sony glass.  They are using all Canon lenses.

I have an A7R2 & A6300 and used a Canon 70-200 f4 L lens for a while and while it was OK the autofocus wasn't ideal, I sold it and bought the FE 70-300 f4.5-5.6 lens and I love it.
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