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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2017, 04:11:12 PM »

... However very much in line with the other nonsense you put in your post ;)

You see now how commentaries and views from across the ocean often look like nonsense? ;)

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2017, 04:12:34 PM »

integration

why you are not using the proper word - assimilation ?
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2017, 04:15:53 PM »

You see now how commentaries and views from across the ocean often look like nonsense? ;)
But I expected better from you as a former European ;)
But I fully expect you to know yourself where you went off the rails. But playing dumb can be a smart move sometimes  :P
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2017, 04:19:57 PM »

But I expected better from you as a former European ;)

Ah, but you see, I am a former SouthEast European, with a strong distaste and distrust for governments, politicians and their motivations. 500 years under foreign (Muslim) governments, and last decades under communist/socialist ones, would do that even to the most naive of us :)

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2017, 04:20:15 PM »

why you are not using the proper word - assimilation ?

Well, the intent was integration, but even assimilation failed for some. They really feel more Turkish than Dutch, despite being born and raised here, as were their parents. Sad, is't it, especially when one sees the direction Turkey is heading? But that's something for the Turks to decide, as long as they don't make it our business.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2017, 04:24:06 PM »

Ah, but you see, I am a former SouthEast European, with a strong distaste and distrust for governments, politicians and their motivations. 500 years under foreign (Muslim) governments, and last decades under communist/socialist ones, would do that even to the most naive of us :)

I sympathize, and now you got Trump, which could be seen as a step up given your background experiences. ;)
Everything is relative ...

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2017, 04:26:29 PM »

... They really feel more Turkish than Dutch, despite being born and raised here, as were their parents. Sad, isn't it...

Ah, but you see, in our case you only refer to them as Americans, home-grown, domestic, etc. The moment they change their immigration status and become citizens, the very next day you refuse to accept that they are Muslims, and that even in the second or third generation they "feel more Muslim than American," to borrow your phrase.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2017, 04:39:48 PM »

Ah, but you see, in our case you only refer to them as Americans, home-grown, domestic, etc. The moment they change their immigration status and become citizens, the very next day you refuse to accept that they are Muslims, and that even in the second or third generation they "feel more Muslim than American," to borrow your phrase.

You are confusing some things. When people make a deliberate (or in some cases forced) choice to immigrate and take on a different nationality (if allowed after vetting), that might even create a stronger sense of being part of the new homeland, than someone who happened to be born in that country. There are also those who show no gratitude to the kind reception they got to begin with, and there are those who did okay or even fine, in the beginning but got disappointed and radicalized,  perhaps due to the bigottery and discrimination they experienced themselves or those whom they feel connected with.

There are all sorts of shades of grey, you as a talented photographer should know that.

But feeling more Turkish than Dutch, not because you or your own parents were born there, but your grandfather was, does raise some questions, doesn't it?

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2017, 05:02:31 PM »

...But feeling more Turkish than Dutch, not because you or your own parents were born there, but your grandfather was, does raise some questions, doesn't it?

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2017, 05:09:35 PM »

... But feeling more Turkish than Dutch, not because you or your own parents were born there, but your grandfather was, does raise some questions, doesn't it?


Curious, what kind of questions?

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2017, 05:11:10 PM »

The view of what's really happening in the Netherlands from this side of the Atlantic really comports to my original post.  The tone of the Dutch posts in response only confirmed much of it.  You look on the Turks as second class citizens and have a problem with the Muslim faith and Turkish culture.  They're just not Dutch enough.  You fellows really need to focus on your own country's issues and stop diverting attention to ours. You got a lot of work to do.  In the meanwhile, we'll take care of our own problems.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2017, 05:16:21 PM »

The view of what's really happening in the Netherlands from this side of the Atlantic really comports to my original post.  The tone of the Dutch posts in response only confirmed much of it.  You look on the Turks as second class citizens and have a problem with the Muslim faith and Turkish culture.  They're just not Dutch enough.  You fellows really need to focus on your own country's issues and stop diverting attention to ours. You got a lot of work to do.  In the meanwhile, we'll take care of our own problems.
Alan, pls. see post # 55 (and 56) of this thread. If you understand what we're saying there you'll see you're still way off base, in the stands trying to catch a home-run.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM »

Curious, what kind of questions?

Like: Why?  What happened?

Just for openers ...

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2017, 06:01:01 PM »

Alan, pls. see post # 55 (and 56) of this thread. If you understand what we're saying there you'll see you're still way off base, in the stands trying to catch a home-run.
Sorry, they were fly outs.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2017, 06:43:31 PM »

Sorry, they were fly outs.
Your loss, if you believe your own BS that's fine with me, but if you're not willing (or able) to motivate your position any clearer then you have done so far very few people will give your opinion any more then a sorry smile and think "poor soul, he doesn't know any better"
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2017, 09:42:09 PM »

Back to the OP. No progress report on the journey of 40 Holstein cows back to Holland, but
Hurriyet, the leading news source for Turkey just revealed: "Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu has said Turkey could send 15,000 refugees a month to Europe to shock the Europeans following a recent diplomatic crisis".

Turkey sending refugees to Europe

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2017, 09:49:07 PM »

...Turkey sending refugees to Europe

They been sending invaders to Europe since the 14th century. Will finally succeed in the 21st.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2017, 06:23:16 AM »

That's a low blow.  Even I can feel it.
I don't think the question is a blow, it's merely a fact and asking why it happened.
The blow you're referring to might be in the (assumed) answer, but that's up to the person giving (or assuming) the answer.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2017, 06:49:20 AM »

well, the Dutch meant well,
but the director of the fund for journalism which paid the media groups hundreds of thousands of euros in subsidies, admits that the projects did not go well.

Dutch-Turkish media groups that support Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan were supported for years with funding from the Dutch Ministry of Education, Culture and Science, Het Parool reports based on its own research. The Stimulation Fund for Journalism paid these media groups hundreds of thousands of euros in subsidies. Most of this money could not be recovered because the companies behind the media groups went bankrupt.

http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/17/pro-erdogan-turkish-dutch-media-funded-dutch-subsidies-report
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2017, 06:50:18 AM »

Back to the OP. No progress report on the journey of 40 Holstein cows back to Holland, but
Hurriyet, the leading news source for Turkey just revealed: "Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu has said Turkey could send 15,000 refugees a month to Europe to shock the Europeans following a recent diplomatic crisis".

Turkey sending refugees to Europe

Erdogan also stated in one of his many speeches that Turkish women in Europe will have to make more children, not 3 but 5...
In a way he uses the same tactics as Trump did on the road to the elections; scream out loud a lot of nonsense; the nonsense the Turks want to hear... Make the Turkish empire GREAT again...!
We need a strong leader! to protect us from the evil outside world...
At the same time the economy is going worse and Turkey becomes more isolated. A good reason to shout even louder.
Erdogan is a Turkish disaster. Ataturk was right- politics and religion need to be separated.
Investors will run away, tourism is down, and a war with the Kurds is already a fact.
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