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Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« on: March 15, 2017, 06:12:20 PM »

On the election day, the head of the Turkish Association of Red Meat Producers, Bulent Tunc, said that a 40 Holstein Friesian cattle was being sent back to the Netherlands.
Because, "The Dutch Holstein cows have become very common in our country. But this breed is starting to cause serious problems".

Turkey sends dutch cows back to the Netherlands

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 07:17:12 PM »

Oh, the irony! 😄

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 07:17:56 PM »

On the election day, the head of the Turkish Association of Red Meat Producers, Bulent Tunc, said that a 40 Holstein Friesian cattle was being sent back to the Netherlands.
Because, "The Dutch Holstein cows have become very common in our country. But this breed is starting to cause serious problems".

Turkey sends dutch cows back to the Netherlands

LOL.

It's their loss.

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. The real winners are today's voters, who turned out in record numbers (at a sofar unofficial 80.4 percent). It's a victory for democracy. There was even a shortage of voting forms in some polling stations, and people risked having to vote elsewhere or maybe come back after additional supplies arrived. Some voting boxes were so filled that the piles in the ballot box had to be compressed with improvised means to make a bit more room. The counting is taking longer than usual, due to the larger quantities and, because there were more (upto 28) parties on the voting forms, the forms are larger and more difficult to handle for manual counting.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 07:20:23 PM »

Oh, the irony! 😄

Even the Dutch cows can be stubborn ... ;)

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Bart
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 07:53:53 PM »

Oh, the irony! 😄

You mean that the head of the RED MEAT association wants to send back a bunch of DAIRY COWS?  ::)

Anyway, in 2015 there were approximately 5.5 million Holsteins in Turkey, and another 900,000 Holstein cross-breeds. Holsteins were the highest producers (volume of milk per cow), and the native Turkish breeds were among the lowest producers. But Turkey has a dairy surplus, and a shortage of meat. Perhaps that's why the head of the association also indicated that he'd slaughter the cows and distribute their meat if they weren't accepted back.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 08:08:14 PM »

About the irony:

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"...have become very common in our country. But this breed is starting to cause serious problems"

Replace the dots with Turks, and assume a Dutch is saying it ;)

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 08:09:35 PM »

You mean that the head of the RED MEAT association wants to send back a bunch of DAIRY COWS?  ::)

Anyway, in 2015 there were approximately 5.5 million Holsteins in Turkey, and another 900,000 Holstein cross-breeds. Holsteins were the highest producers (volume of milk per cow), and the native Turkish breeds were among the lowest producers. But Turkey has a dairy surplus, and a shortage of meat. Perhaps that's why the head of the association also indicated that he'd slaughter the cows and distribute their meat if they weren't accepted back.

Exactly! You would think, that instead of shuttling the cattle over a 2,000km distance, it would be more effective to kill the poor cows, make sausages and export those.
"See, this is what we do with sheep or cattle that create problems".
 
Also wondering whether that decision was made indeed by Turkish Red Meat association or by another body.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 08:18:52 PM »

About the irony:

Replace the dots with Turks, and assume a Dutch is saying it ;)

That's so far fetched. No Dutchman would ever say that. OK, maybe some East Friesian. But only if they do something bad to his cows.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 08:39:43 PM »

... No Dutchman would ever say that...

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...many ordinary Dutch voters who have been hard hit by the government's austerity measures, and who feel the country has taken in too many refugees and migrants.
"The Netherlands is full," Wilders supporter Jack told CNN outside a polling station in Volendam on Wednesday. "If it were up to me I would have stopped all [Turkish people] at the border."[/quote]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-dutch-elections/

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 08:55:40 PM »

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"...have become very common in our country. But this breed is starting to cause serious problems"

Replace the dots with Turks, and assume a Dutch is saying it ;)

Well, could be that some Dutch indeed said something like that and the Turkish head of Red Meat club liked and reused that phrase. Of course, purely subconsciously.
It wouldn't be the first time that a sentence or two were borrowed from someone else's speech.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2017, 09:17:24 PM »

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...many ordinary Dutch voters who have been hard hit by the government's austerity measures, and who feel the country has taken in too many refugees and migrants.
"The Netherlands is full," Wilders supporter Jack told CNN outside a polling station in Volendam on Wednesday. "If it were up to me I would have stopped all [Turkish people] at the border."[/quote]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-dutch-elections/

The Netherlands is indeed full (and has been for a long time).

I recall one very hot Friday afternoon in summer 1974, as I was driving from Eindhoven to Germany, in an old VW bug, of course, without air condioning. The temperature was unbearably hot. So hot, that I decided to stop at the nearest town and cool down in a public swimming pool. I found one, bought the ticket, and carefully stepped into the pool. Very carefuly, because the pool was a standing room only. Hundreds of people standing through the entire swimming pool. You couldn't swim, you couldn't even walk.
And on that memorable day, after I got out from the pool and drove on, I made a decision to leave Europe.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 12:32:29 AM »



The Netherlands is indeed full (and has been for a long time).

I recall one very hot Friday afternoon in summer 1974, as I was driving from Eindhoven to Germany, in an old VW bug, of course, without air condioning. The temperature was unbearably hot. So hot, that I decided to stop at the nearest town and cool down in a public swimming pool. I found one, bought the ticket, and carefully stepped into the pool. Very carefuly, because the pool was a standing room only. Hundreds of people standing through the entire swimming pool. You couldn't swim, you couldn't even walk.
And on that memorable day, after I got out from the pool and drove on, I made a decision to leave Europe.


My father lived in Lauderdale Lakes and my sister in Boynton Beach that's not that far from Lauderdale-by-the-Sea where you now live. Plenty of space at the beaches there which are beautiful with great water except when the man-o-wars come floating in.  America is getting more crowded.  But there's still plenty of space if you want or need it.  I lived all y life until three years ago in NYC.  My wife and I looked into Florida, but she can't handle the hot weather.  So we moved to farm area in central New Jersey.  Now they're building more here and I don't like it.  It's nice to leave the house and go by corn fields and horse farms.  The new construction in making me sad.
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2017, 08:51:10 AM »

The color orange has long been associated with the Dutch, dating back to William of Orange who was the first king.
Turkish demonstrators are now cutting oranges and drinking their juice in protest of the Dutch government.
Turks squeeze oranges in anti-dutch protest

It's a good move. The orange juice is much healthier than cow's milk.
Dangers of cow's milk

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2017, 10:17:52 AM »

The color orange has long been associated with the Dutch, dating back to William of Orange who was the first king.
Turkish demonstrators are now cutting oranges and drinking their juice in protest of the Dutch government.
Turks squeeze oranges in anti-dutch protest

It's a good move. The orange juice is much healthier than cow's milk.
Dangers of cow's milk

And as a civil democratic country, unlike Turkey, we have allowed a demonstration march, requested by 3 Turkish organizations, for 'freedom of expression' (as a reaction to 'police violence') to take place tomorrow in Rotterdam between 17:00-19:00h.

Let's see if the demonstrators can keep it orderly this time around, and if there will be any surprise appearance attempts by uninvited Turkish government officials. Since the Turkish consul deliberately lied to the Mayor of Rotterdam last time, we will rely on our own secret service again to track those officials, just like they did last Saturday.

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2017, 10:32:33 AM »

So, Bart, let me get this straight: it is ok to stop a foreigner at the Dutch border and send them back, just because you do not like their government, but it is not at the American border?

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 11:10:11 AM »

So, Bart, let me get this straight: it is ok to stop a foreigner at the Dutch border and send them back, just because you do not like their government, but it is not at the American border?

No, we do not have internal borders in the Schengen zone in the European Union, so everybody who is there legally can freely travel.

In the case you are referring to there was a foreign, Turkish, minister that tried to enter Europe by flying into the Netherlands, while being requested by the Dutch authorities to not do that. He got his landing rights pulled, because he did not follow the rules and yet still tried to enter and cause public order issues without permission.

In fact, as the negotiations to do facilitate his visit were ongoing, the Turkish government started to threaten our government with economic and diplomatic sanctions via the media(!) if he would not be allowed to enter the country and stir up trouble that would cause public order issues.

Since our government cannot and will not negotiate under threat of sanctions, the request to facilitate his visit on that day was denied.

It may seem strange to some people looking at it from the outside, but we tend to play by the rules. Freedom of speech and assembly is one of those liberties for our citizens, as long as it doesn't result is public order issues or violates the law in other ways.

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Bart
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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2017, 12:52:09 PM »

Yeah, yeah, yeah...same difference.

The fact is you prevented two foreigners at your border from entering, because:

1. you do not like their government
2. their visit MIGHT have consequences you do not like (e.g., trampling a few tulips in a public square)

Besides, no Turkish diplomat/minister ever caused a terrorist act in Holland, nor murdered a single Dutch citizen.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2017, 02:53:10 PM »

Yeah, yeah, yeah...same difference.

The fact is you prevented two foreigners at your border from entering, because:

Not really, one (foreign affairs) minister was denied entering the European Union (via a Dutch airfield) because he wouldn't cooperate to prevent public order disturbance and started to threaten our government with sanctions, via the media while negotiations were being conducted (which clearly showed ill intent), and another minister was allowed to enter the country from Germany, but she was not allowed to disrupt public order as a replacement of that Foreign affairs minister.

She actually was supposed to give a speech in an establishment close the border with Germany, a day or so before, but that got canceled by the proprietor of that establishment. She only got stopped by police after crossing the entire country from east to west, using another convoy with a lookalike stand-in to avoid early detection of where she was heading. Why the secrecy?

When her convoy ran into the sealed off region around the consulate, because a demonstration was going on there, the convoy got stuck in a back alley. When the consul stopped answering the Mayor's phone calls, when he tried inquiring what was happening (despite the assurances earlier that day that nobody was expected to come), she then didn't follow the request to leave on her own (with her 12 potentially armed bodyguards), locking herself in the armoured car for several hours, still no answers from the consul, she was finally escorted back to the German border.

The apparently deliberate attempts to disrupt public order in another country were met with a free ride back to where she came from, after being declared an unwelcome alien. Things could have gotten much more ugly.

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Besides, no Turkish diplomat/minister ever caused a terrorist act in Holland, nor murdered a single Dutch citizen.

Not to my knowledge, but there have been incidents with e.g. a drunken Russian diplomat (Dmitri Borodin) suspected of child molestation incidents (bystanders called the police) and his drunken wife causing a collision earlier that day, luckily only with material damage to someone else's car, crying daughters, no lethal human casualties. He was silently replaced by another diplomat, without deliberate escalations by a foreign power.

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2017, 03:25:44 PM »

Not really, one (foreign affairs) minister was denied entering the European Union (via a Dutch airfield) because he wouldn't cooperate to prevent public order disturbance and started to threaten our government with sanctions, via the media while negotiations were being conducted (which clearly showed ill intent), and another minister was allowed to enter the country from Germany, but she was not allowed to disrupt public order as a replacement of that Foreign affairs minister.

She actually was supposed to give a speech in an establishment close the border with Germany, a day or so before, but that got canceled by the proprietor of that establishment. She only got stopped by police after crossing the entire country from east to west, using another convoy with a lookalike stand-in to avoid early detection of where she was heading. Why the secrecy?

When her convoy ran into the sealed off region around the consulate, because a demonstration was going on there, the convoy got stuck in a back alley. When the consul stopped answering the Mayor's phone calls, when he tried inquiring what was happening (despite the assurances earlier that day that nobody was expected to come), she then didn't follow the request to leave on her own (with her 12 potentially armed bodyguards), locking herself in the armoured car for several hours, still no answers from the consul, she was finally escorted back to the German border.

The apparently deliberate attempts to disrupt public order in another country were met with a free ride back to where she came from, after being declared an unwelcome alien. Things could have gotten much more ugly.

Not to my knowledge, but there have been incidents with e.g. a drunken Russian diplomat (Dmitri Borodin) suspected of child molestation incidents (bystanders called the police) and his drunken wife causing a collision earlier that day, luckily only with material damage to someone else's car, crying daughters, no lethal human casualties. He was silently replaced by another diplomat, without deliberate escalations by a foreign power.

Cheers,
Bart

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Re: Netherlands Elections and Turkey sending Dutch cows back
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2017, 03:33:13 PM »

Yeah, yeah, yeah...same difference.

The fact is you prevented two foreigners at your border from entering, because:

1. you do not like their government
2. their visit MIGHT have consequences you do not like (e.g., trampling a few tulips in a public square)

Besides, no Turkish diplomat/minister ever caused a terrorist act in Holland, nor murdered a single Dutch citizen.
Nope:
1: They didn't follow the rules, same situation as for the US, no Visa or ESTA and you can't even get on the plane, let alone in the country. Don't see any problem.
2: Our souls do not get harmed by a few trampled tulips, but fighting and damage (destruction) of public and private property was likely and needed to be prevented. Remember Ferguson in the US?
3: A lot of recent actions by the Turkish government are unprecedented, and as Alan said in the Trump II thread: "you don't lock your door after you're burgled". 
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