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Pete JF

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« on: March 04, 2017, 03:14:41 PM »

Is anyone doing their own framing here?

I have to frame a bunch of stuff-upcoming, and want to try and source, for example, Nielsen, or, similar parts-uncut..

I have a nice chop box and figure I can get a good blade and cut parts myself?

Anything Im missing here as far as cutting clean miters..seems like a good blade is the ticket?

I've assembled many a frame and cut a quite a mattes..I have 36 inch cutter..

Just tired of not being able to complete the task when I want to..

Looking for sources / types of blades..frame parts, different companies etc and uncut stock frame pieces..I like a simple metal frame usually..

Thanks!

(I looked for a specific forum for this but couldn't find one)



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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 03:56:56 PM »

Is anyone doing their own framing here?

I have to frame a bunch of stuff-upcoming, and want to try and source, for example, Nielsen, or, similar parts-uncut..

I have a nice chop box and figure I can get a good blade and cut parts myself?

Anything Im missing here as far as cutting clean miters..seems like a good blade is the ticket?

I've assembled many a frame and cut a quite a mattes..I have 36 inch cutter..

Just tired of not being able to complete the task when I want to..

Looking for sources / types of blades..frame parts, different companies etc and uncut stock frame pieces..I like a simple metal frame usually..

Thanks!

(I looked for a specific forum for this but couldn't find one)

My advice is to find an online source that will chop frames for you. You will save very little money doing it yourself.

Don Bryant
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2017, 04:26:36 PM »

My advice is to find an online source that will chop frames for you. You will save very little money doing it yourself.

Don Bryant

I agree with Don. Cutting metal frames yourself is pointless. I use American Frame, they have high-end equipment and trained operators and have always, in my experience, provided frame sections that fit perfectly. Other companies will do just as well I am sure.
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 11:10:27 AM »

There are likely many good places to shop for metal frames.  I've had very good results over the years with Frame Destination and mostly order Neilsen

 https://www.framedestination.com/
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2017, 12:14:15 PM »

I cut my own with a CTD 45 dual mitre saw. The fence system with stops is almost a must.
We also  use a single saw setup with a 6 foot right and left fence. (Probably the best for you)
You could certainly get away with a simple setup without fences as long as you have the proper blade.
Do not cheap out on a blade. Probably run you from $100 to $130.
I would have to go in the shop to see which blades I have without guessing.
Eyewear and ear protection are a must. Go slow and hold those suckers tight as any flex when cutting will mess up your angles.
Other then slightly deburring the corners all that is needed for assembly is a good screwdriver.
I purchase Nielsen MBL-15 matte black 1" by the case and I think it runs something like $1.34 a foot. The corner assembly hardware runs about .88 a pack.
Chops are so simple and in the long run you will not save anything by purchasing all this equipment unless you get into selling these in quantities.
No minimum 300 ft cases to buy if you purchase their chops.
We get all our frames and equipment from Decor Moulding in New York.
Also forgot about shipping. Full lengths are 10 ft. and are too long for UPS. They would have to be shipped truck freight or in my case their company truck delivers free to my door every Friday.

Ps: Your profile is empty which makes it very hard to guess what part of the world you are from.
You might have a company right in your back yard that could help you?
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 01:54:15 AM »

Dan knows his stuff:-)
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2017, 12:58:30 PM »

Like Dan, I cut my own metal frames. You should use a fence and stop system as he mentions, and the correct blade.
I get my moulding from CMI moulding, I think they have offices around the country. The profile I get cost $2 per foot
if bought in case quantities. (100' per case, 10 - 10' pieces) They deliver to my door once a week for a very small fee. I think it is $7,
and they are driving 300 miles to get to me. Of course there are several others in my area they are delivering to on the same day.
If you are doing enough volume you can purchase the hardware in bulk (case of 100 sets) for a little less money.
It all depends on your volume if it would be worth it to cut your own. Also I personally prefer to do everything possible myself
to keep cost to a minimum but also to control quality and production time. Nice to not have to wait days for someone else to
get custom cut frames to you.
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 02:45:01 PM »

I cut my own with a CTD 45 dual mitre saw. The fence system with stops is almost a must.
We also  use a single saw setup with a 6 foot right and left fence. (Probably the best for you)
You could certainly get away with a simple setup without fences as long as you have the proper blade.
Do not cheap out on a blade. Probably run you from $100 to $130.
I would have to go in the shop to see which blades I have without guessing.
Eyewear and ear protection are a must. Go slow and hold those suckers tight as any flex when cutting will mess up your angles.
Other then slightly deburring the corners all that is needed for assembly is a good screwdriver.
I purchase Nielsen MBL-15 matte black 1" by the case and I think it runs something like $1.34 a foot. The corner assembly hardware runs about .88 a pack.
Chops are so simple and in the long run you will not save anything by purchasing all this equipment unless you get into selling these in quantities.
No minimum 300 ft cases to buy if you purchase their chops.
We get all our frames and equipment from Decor Moulding in New York.
Also forgot about shipping. Full lengths are 10 ft. and are too long for UPS. They would have to be shipped truck freight or in my case their company truck delivers free to my door every Friday.

Ps: Your profile is empty which makes it very hard to guess what part of the world you are from.
You might have a company right in your back yard that could help you?

Hi Dan..thanks for the info..looking into sources in, my city, which is Chicago..luckily I'm in a big market.

I have a decent chop box setup in my basement so I should be able tighten up a jig for this..
Do me a favor and let me know what blade you're using..

Thanks!
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2017, 02:47:22 PM »

Like Dan, I cut my own metal frames. You should use a fence and stop system as he mentions, and the correct blade.
I get my moulding from CMI moulding, I think they have offices around the country. The profile I get cost $2 per foot
if bought in case quantities. (100' per case, 10 - 10' pieces) They deliver to my door once a week for a very small fee. I think it is $7,
and they are driving 300 miles to get to me. Of course there are several others in my area they are delivering to on the same day.
If you are doing enough volume you can purchase the hardware in bulk (case of 100 sets) for a little less money.
It all depends on your volume if it would be worth it to cut your own. Also I personally prefer to do everything possible myself
to keep cost to a minimum but also to control quality and production time. Nice to not have to wait days for someone else to
get custom cut frames to you.

Thanks Bill..I'm wanting to do this for the same reason..Same question for you..what blade are ou happy with?

I'm on 12 inch saw BTW..overkill but it's what I have..

what are you doing for glass? Are you cutting from factory sizes in bulk orders or...?

I'm very proficient at cutting my own glass..I'm blessed/cursed to own a building with a lot of windows..many of them original from 1890 and I've cut a ton of glass in my day..
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 02:49:55 PM »

Hi Dan..thanks for the info..looking into sources in, my city, which is Chicago..luckily I'm in a big market.

I have a decent chop box setup in my basement so I should be able tighten up a jig for this..
Do me a favor and let me know what blade you're using..
Dan..what are you doing about glass?

Thanks!
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Re: Framing-buying metal frame parts uncut etc..
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 04:38:54 PM »

We do not use glass for anything.
Most prints are canvas mounted to gatorboard mounted in either wood or metal frames or gallery wraps.
We do quite bit of fine art printing but again no mats or glass.
Am on the road for 2 days and will look at my blades when I get home.
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