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Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« on: February 23, 2017, 07:45:27 am »

Hello, In your opinion which the best software to create personal icc profiles for the iq3 100. I need it for art reproduction. Thank you
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 08:05:09 am »

Hi,

Anders Torger's DCamProf may be usable for you, but it has a command line interface.
https://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/dcamprof.html

DigitalTransitions sell a "cultural history edition" of C1.

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Hello, In your opinion which the best software to create personal icc profiles for the iq3 100. I need it for art reproduction. Thank you
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 08:37:35 am »

For art reproduction BasICColor should do the job well, it has Capture One support. I haven't used it myself in production, but heard good things about it.

I'm the author of DCamProf and as said you can use that too for reproduction if you don't mind command-line, but as it's in its current incarnation aimed at general-purpose photography rather than repro it hasn't got a 3D LUT for colorimetric profiles, which you may want when doing repro.

The quality of the reproduction is however rarely about the ICC profile maker, but about how well the target matches the subject and how well the photo is made. I think repro is not so much photography, is more like scientific measurement, and need to be handled as such, reducing measurement errors as much as possible in all stages.
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 09:34:56 am »

DigitalTransitions sell a "cultural history edition" of C1.

repro profiles are available (or at least were) even in a regular edition - but they were for a ~specific illumination (a device or flash)... for example there are "PhaseOneIQ3100MP-Flash - Flat Art Reproduction.icm", "PhaseOneIQ3100MP-Flat Art Reproduction - Tungsten.icm", "PhaseOneIQ3100MP-Flat Art Reproduction - LED DTLED36.icm", "PhaseOneIQ3100MP-Flat Art Reproduction - LED DT Photon.icm" in regular distro...
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2017, 09:36:42 am »

For art reproduction BasICColor should do the job well, it has Capture One support.
one can also dig out ProfileMaker ...
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 02:07:31 pm »

The Fine Art Reproduction ICC Profiles in Capture One CH paired with the DT Photon LED are the best option if you have the budget. This will produce exceptionally high color without custom profiling as they are all designed to work together (the digital back, the CH software, the color profile, and the lighting) for the specific task of reproduction photography.

In-situ profiles, such as those a user can generate with BasIIColor (we are dealers) will sometimes measure more accurately if you use the same target to create the calibration and validate/test the calibration (which is a very bad practice equivalent to "teaching to the test"), but will generally not perform as well as the Capture One CH reproduction profiles when you start to test with different targets. In situ profiles are also very sensitive to the method of creation (any flare, glare, or deviation from best practice will wreak havoc), and once made are very fragile (i.e. will falter quickly when you make any modifications to the lighting setup).

Our Cultural Heritage on Process Control, Lighting, and Capture One CH are all helpful to understand the underlying challenges in reproduction photography and how our tools help address them.

Of the many institutions using our solutions most are using Capture One CH profiles rather than in-situ profiling.
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Re: Icc profiles for Phase One iq3100
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 10:12:37 pm »

I was a "senior consultant" for Xrite re. camera profiling, and a member of the ICC Digital Photography workgroup. Although Doug is a veritable encyclopedia, I believe I may be allowed to shed some light on this issue, from a practical standpoint.

1. Profiling for repro use will benefit hugely from being done in the repro illumination. In my opinion, a mediocre profile made just before the money shot is almost always better than a very good profile made under different illumination conditions ie. a "canned" profile. This is because an in-situ profile accurately captures information about lighting and lens -including lens colorations, room color reflections etc. Effectively, the white balance gets baked into the profile. Also, repro encourages stable and uniform lighting which is hugely beneficial to profiling.

2. The difficulty with good general purpose profiles as Torger points out is stuff like tone curves; this falls away with repro, which is more about accurately establishing in-situ primaries and effectively creating a profile for a single white balance IMHO. So it's not about the software, it's about having a good target and very uniform illumination on the target. A small target placed in the center of the field will reduce non-uniformity of light and lens vignetting.

3. The real difficulty with repro is that the subject is made out of pigments, and whatever you do they will often interact strangely with a digital camera's sensor CFA. There are known ways to work around this, and Doug might be selling some, but we're well outside the realm of "click" !

In summary, commercial profiling software should help you with repro but expect a learning curve while you figure out how to to the lighting setups.

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The Fine Art Reproduction ICC Profiles in Capture One CH paired with the DT Photon LED are the best option if you have the budget. This will produce exceptionally high color without custom profiling as they are all designed to work together (the digital back, the CH software, the color profile, and the lighting) for the specific task of reproduction photography.

In-situ profiles, such as those a user can generate with BasIIColor (we are dealers) will sometimes measure more accurately if you use the same target to create the calibration and validate/test the calibration (which is a very bad practice equivalent to "teaching to the test"), but will generally not perform as well as the Capture One CH reproduction profiles when you start to test with different targets. In situ profiles are also very sensitive to the method of creation (any flare, glare, or deviation from best practice will wreak havoc), and once made are very fragile (i.e. will falter quickly when you make any modifications to the lighting setup).

Our Cultural Heritage on Process Control, Lighting, and Capture One CH are all helpful to understand the underlying challenges in reproduction photography and how our tools help address them.

Of the many institutions using our solutions most are using Capture One CH profiles rather than in-situ profiling.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2017, 10:38:26 pm by eronald »
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