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Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« on: February 15, 2017, 11:28:19 AM »

Hello, everyone!

Recently, Iíve got a chance to test a full Tangent Element Kit with Capture One Pro 10.
I've recorded a short video review - https://youtu.be/6Pu0q_HE3XU
And here is the full review - http://captureoneblog.com/tangent-element-with-capture-one-pro-10-review/

If you have any questions regarding Tangent and Capture One, feel free to ask here  :)
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 12:25:19 PM »

Hello, everyone!

Recently, Iíve got a chance to test a full Tangent Element Kit with Capture One Pro 10.
I've recorded a short video review - https://youtu.be/6Pu0q_HE3XU
And here is the full review - http://captureoneblog.com/tangent-element-with-capture-one-pro-10-review/

If you have any questions regarding Tangent and Capture One, feel free to ask here  :)

Hi Alexander,
It's a really nice review, but I think that one important aspect is missing. Using Tangent devices has a huge advantage over any traditional input device (keyboard/mouse/graphic tablet), it lets the user change multiple parameters synchronously, for example adjusting exposure and contrast at the same time by using two knobs. I think it can speed up the image editing by some margin.

Cheers,
Tamas
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 03:45:57 AM »

Hi Alexander,
It's a really nice review, but I think that one important aspect is missing. Using Tangent devices has a huge advantage over any traditional input device (keyboard/mouse/graphic tablet), it lets the user change multiple parameters synchronously, for example adjusting exposure and contrast at the same time by using two knobs. I think it can speed up the image editing by some margin.

Cheers,
Tamas


Hi Tamas,

Thank you! I agree with you, but, unfortunately, I had not much time to test the panels. It requires more experience with panels to work with two knobs simultaneously :)
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2017, 08:58:32 PM »

Thanks!
After watching your video, I purchased the KB Panel. It comes in Friday. I have a strong feeling I'll be getting the Ripple next (If its supported).

People complain about the price, but think of it this way: You have 12 adjustments. Now those 12 adjustments have an alternate.

Now you have 24. There are three banks. If I'm thinking right, that gives you a total of 72 adjustments with a panel that has fairly small foot print.

I just bought a Palette Gear Pro setup in December.  In LR, it was the bomb. In C1, it sucked. Too limited in functionality plus the footprint/function ratio wasn't good. Now its on eBay.

When I get to play with the Tangent, I'll chime in again. I'm optimistic. Lets just see how this plays out.



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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 07:29:43 AM »

Thanks!
After watching your video, I purchased the KB Panel. It comes in Friday. I have a strong feeling I'll be getting the Ripple next (If its supported).

People complain about the price, but think of it this way: You have 12 adjustments. Now those 12 adjustments have an alternate.

Now you have 24. There are three banks. If I'm thinking right, that gives you a total of 72 adjustments with a panel that has fairly small foot print.

I just bought a Palette Gear Pro setup in December.  In LR, it was the bomb. In C1, it sucked. Too limited in functionality plus the footprint/function ratio wasn't good. Now its on eBay.

When I get to play with the Tangent, I'll chime in again. I'm optimistic. Lets just see how this plays out.

your maths is correct Jimmy!

In my opinion, if you use Local Adjustments, the Mf panel is a good next choice.
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 09:05:32 PM »

Baby steps, I'm not a paid pro photog. I get by, here and there.

Since playing with the VS version, I better understand the convenience of buttons. So now i'm looking at the button panel next. Back down the rabbit hole I go....
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 09:37:15 PM »

Well crap! Got the KB and it is sweet. You are right. It seems as though the MF is a good next step. I'll just see how this plays out.
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 12:00:34 AM »

Thanks!
After watching your video, I purchased the KB Panel. It comes in Friday. I have a strong feeling I'll be getting the Ripple next (If its supported).

People complain about the price, but think of it this way: You have 12 adjustments. Now those 12 adjustments have an alternate.

Now you have 24. There are three banks. If I'm thinking right, that gives you a total of 72 adjustments with a panel that has fairly small foot print.

I just bought a Palette Gear Pro setup in December.  In LR, it was the bomb. In C1, it sucked. Too limited in functionality plus the footprint/function ratio wasn't good. Now its on eBay.

When I get to play with the Tangent, I'll chime in again. I'm optimistic. Lets just see how this plays out.


I saw your gear on eBay. Was interested until the bid went up. I use pallet gear with C1. Just the buttons and knobs. It took hours to program though.  Not the best but I got the gear as xmass present from wife in December , so no returns. Have fun with tangent.
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 07:05:47 AM »



I saw your gear on eBay. Was interested until the bid went up. I use pallet gear with C1. Just the buttons and knobs. It took hours to program though.  Not the best but I got the gear as xmass present from wife in December , so no returns. Have fun with tangent.

I really wanted to like the Palette Gear. However I had two crashes due to that setup. The kinda crash that made me have to hold the power button on my tower. Not good.
Like I said in the listing, its the bomb in LR. Plus you can map all kinds of other applications like Photo Mechanic, Mail, and Safari. Just not so much in C1.

One more thing. The mapping is crazy extensive. It goes way beyond keyboard shortcuts.

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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2017, 08:59:22 PM »

The MF panel came in.
I can see the setup (KB and MF) as a time saver.
The biggest difference between it and Palette is the amount of control. It's actually intimidating. It doesn't seem like there is a limit to the modes and layouts. I'm gonna be spending a lot of time trying to plot everything out.
Another thing: In Palette the main module tells you what adjustments you are making while you are making them. However, if you aren't fooling with a knob or button, you have to rely on memory which button does what.
Of course you can go to the menu and see the layout, but this is easier.
In Tangent, the adjustments are constantly on the display. Kinda nice.

When I first bought Palette, I was a bit disappointed at the control vs $$ for C1. So I bought the expanded panel. It was better, but I just wasn't using it.
The Tangent does cost more, and at first glance, a lot more. However after using it, the price difference is irrelevant, apples to oranges.  I actually use it.
Adjustments are plentiful and smooth.
I do see a ripple in the future, because color grading sounds like fun:)
I just gotta pay off the KB and MF before I move forward,
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2017, 09:43:58 PM »

The Tangent stuff looks pretty cool, but a bit too steep for my blood. I'd rather buy lenses! :)

What about the Palette works poorly with C1?

How does the Palette or Tangent work "better" than a Wacom Tablet (with its buttons and single dial)?
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2017, 06:13:29 AM »

I'd rather buy lenses! :)

I agree with you on that one  :)
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2017, 07:07:55 AM »

The difference between Tangent and Palette is Tangent is actually working as an integral part of C1. Palette is kinda limited in it's interaction with C1. Palette is working on this.
 
There are some adjustments ,like exposure, that work OK. However, a lot of functions are basically mapped out keyboard shortcuts. I guess this is why I found the buttons to be most useful. The Palette sliders are useless in C1.

In LR, Palette works great. But bear in mind that to get the kind of immediate control, you would need at the minimum, the expert kit, and most likely the Pro kit would serve you better.

I just did some math. This is assuming that Palette fully supports C1.

A Tangent KB+BT will run you $1510.50 from BH Photo. Can be had cheaper on eBay.

The basic Palette runs $199. In order to add enough buttons and knobs to match the Tangent, it would cost you $1028.00. However, Palette has a limited number of modules that can be attached so I doubt it would work anyway.

Even if it worked, the footprint would be enormous. Each Palette module takes about as much space as four Tangent controls.

I believe once everything is mapped out, you would have very little need for the tool bar or browser, which gives you a much bigger picture to work with.

Now as far as the Wacom goes, I found that the brush adjustment is much easier with the Tangent MF. I use the tracker ball for brush size and hardness. The wheel that surrounds the ball, I use for opacity.

You could easily map out four knobs for all the brush adjustments.

I imagine you could map out the buttons on the Wacom and that would work out just as well for those adjustments.

As far as buying lenses goes, I understand.

However, I now look forward to editing the photos.

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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 08:05:55 AM »

Tangent sounds cool. If I can ever get C1 working well for me (I just had a complete OS crash this morning while copying/pasting adjustments), I may have to save up for some Tangent gear.

Does Tangent stuff work with Lr, too? Or is it custom to only C1?
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2017, 08:43:51 AM »

Its not setup for LR. However it does support other Adobe products aimed towards film. It supports ALOT of motion editing softwares.
I don't fool with movies, but one never knows....

I really hate you are having so many issues. I'm gonna send you a PM about something else to try.
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Re: Tangent Element with Capture One Pro 10 Review
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 11:43:23 AM »

Sounds like you and I are in same boat with starting out in C1 from LR..

I have palette gear and ordered a trackball to try out. If I didnt have palette gear I would get a midi before tangent because of cost..
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