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Re: Trump II
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2017, 01:41:00 pm »

Well, invading Afhjanistan was quite costly. Maybe the idea is that the Norwegians find a faraway country to invade, and hence bump up their defence expenditures?

If you're going to ignore someone's quotes, especially those that are not insulting, I think it would also be best to ignore others' responses to those whom you are ignoring as well. 

Doing other wise just propagates a more negative persona onto yourself. 
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2017, 10:19:26 pm »

That's not socialism, that's communism...and no, I don't espouse that. Socialism doesn't demand total public ownership, that's communism.

I'm perfectly happy to pay taxes for the government to provide services for myself and society in general. But again, you are demanding a binary answer while the actual reality of "socialist government" is far more complex and is a blend of multiple ideologies...

Pure capitalism couldn't work any better than pure communism.

Yes it is. 

Socialism in it purest sense is:

Socialism shares similarities to communism but to a lesser extreme. As in communism, equality is the main focus. Instead of the workers owning the facilities and tools for production, workers are paid and allowed to spend their wages as they choose, while the governing body owns and operates the means of production for the benefit of the working class. Each worker is provided with necessities so he is able to produce without worry for his basic needs. Still, advancement and production are limited because there is no incentive to achieve more. Without motivation to succeed, such as the ability to own an income-producing business, workers' human instincts prohibit drive and desire that is produced through such incentives.

When words lose their meaning, people lose their power. 

In a socialistic society, you would not be allowed to continue to own your studio.  It would become owned by the state. 

Any governance that you promote where you are still allowed to own your studio is more capitalistic then socialistic. 

On top of that, the only real difference is that with communism the workers own everything with a government overseeing the property.  In socialism, the government owns all and oversees the use of the property for the benefit of the workers.  So really the difference is just semantics. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2017, 10:28:05 pm »

Preposterous and indefensible.  I live in a "socialist" country and nobody's putting a gun to my head, metaphorically or realistically. We're smarter than that.

How about libraries?  Do you really think that in the current capitalism-at-all-costs climate that anyone could countenance public libraries?  Piracy!  Copy protection!  You're stealing my work! Ask Schewe what he thinks about public libraries letting people use his work for free.


Libraries?  Your using libraries as an example in this current environment? 

Don't get me wrong, 10 or more years ago, libraries offered a great service.  With the Internet, I am not so sure any more.  I mean, in all seriousness, what purpose do they continue to serve.  (And I mean public libraries, not University Libraries, which are a totally different entity.) 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2017, 10:23:15 pm »

You know, it's really interesting. 

I'm sitting here working on images while listening to the 7 part PBS Series on the Civil War, and it was mentioned the Chicago Tribune greatly insulted President Lincoln on his Gettysburg Address the day after it was given, which is now universally considered the most powerful and meaningful speech in our history. 

It's an interesting perspective on how easily and often the media gets it wrong, even with the greatest of things. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2017, 09:45:15 pm »

#NewSwamp

Trump Couple, Now White House Employees, Can’t Escape Conflict Laws

Then there's Bannon...Bannon Made Millions in Shaping Right-Wing Thought
So we only want to elect poor folks who haven't accomplished anything or know much to make major decisions about the running of our economy and government. Sure won't be any conflict there. Maybe we have to take a chance and hire rich, bright, creative and effective people who know how to execute and then hold their feet to the fire to make sure there are no conflicts.


 
All this gnashing of teeth from liberals and the elite about Trump when the rich Clintons were selling their souls for speaking engagement fees to give rich people, companies, wall street, and sovereigns access to their power.

#SwampRats

#MAGA

Yeah, right...if you believe that, I got a bridge I'll sell you...

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2017, 10:13:10 am »

Joe, please point out to me how Congress encouraged the housing bubble that began in 2000.  Do not use the Community Reinvestment Act which has been thoroughly debunked.  Tell me how Congress interacted with WaMu, IndyMac, Wachovia, and Countrywide (the four largest subprime lenders).  There is nothing there.

Once again, I am not saying they actively engaged in creating the bubble.  However, it was practice for the congress encourage homeownership and most in congress looked at all these homes being bought to be a plus, regardless if some of those people could not possibly afford them. 

I don't remember one politician talking negatively about the growth in homeownership at the time.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2017, 10:09:57 am »


Lots of people/voters are quite gullible (and only get informed through Social Media) and will be influenced in their (not) voting behavior.

Cheers,
Bart

This can be said of both sides Bart.  You can keep your doctor and your insurance, Bengazhi was caused by an Internet video, ISIS is nothing more then a JV team, etc. etc. etc. ... oh wait, those were all deliberate lies. 

There are several people who vote Democrat for no other reason then they are told to. 

At the end of the day, after all of this settles, the story will be that HRC was a bad candidate that ran a bad campaign.  Trump will be a bad candidate that ran a "better" campaign. 
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2017, 04:46:15 pm »

Yes, a lot of people point to this but the central question is often missed.  What the heck were they even doing on Anthony Wiener's laptop to begin with.  Was Clinton's top assistant, Huma Abedin that naive that she used her husband's laptop to manager her email account?  This has to go down as one of the most foolish things anyone has done who held such a high position.  If there is someone central to blame it is Ms. Abedin.  Comey was in a difficult position on this one because of the New York bureau who absolutely loathed Clinton and were constantly leaking things to the Trump campaign through Giuliani.

The irony of this story is amazing, I just can't wrap my head around it sometimes. 

A man name Wiener, a known sexual deviant being investigated by the FBI for texting pics of his ... "wiener" to a teenage girl during the campaign, just happens to be married to the woman, Huma, who is Clinton's top assistant and should have known better then to use her husband's computer for work, especially for her work, is the reason Comey had to reopen the investigation two weeks before the election. 

I think the whole situation is a great example of the Clintons' overall carelessness and indifference in handling their affairs. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2017, 07:16:27 am »

Jeff, I feel like this, for you, has become nothing more then your go to spot for personal therapy activities.  Your posts seem to be very much about self assurance then interaction. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2017, 10:03:55 am »

(raises hand)

Q1 Big Corporations
Q2 The Citizens

Very similar to the ACA. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2017, 12:35:53 pm »


Heck Obama said it well last week... ACA has a higher approval rating than Trump does (boy that must piss him off) do you honestly think the GOP will learn how to govern?

But 80% of those using the ACA don't pay full price, or anything at all.  So for us who studied statistics, wo would need to take these opinions with a grain of salt since, well, usually you don't complain about something you get for free or next to nothing.  It's an inherent bias. 

I would love to see a report on how people feel from only those paying full price without any subsidies. 

But I do agree, that must surely piss him off regardless of my comments above. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2017, 08:29:03 pm »

Actually that was the Pope who was warning about populist leaders being like Hitler. And you were the the one that called Trump a populist leader who was like a plauge (which I agree with) on both of their houses...

So was Hitler a populist leader in Germany? Did Trump run as a popular leader? So, is the Pope right to warn the US and Europe of the dangers of populist leaders? Hey it was Time magazine the put Trump and Hitler on the cover- which trump likes to brag about (being on the cover-not beong compared to Hitler) although it seems Hitler's book Mein Kampf used sit on his nite stand according to one if his exwives...

Jeff, really, it is kind of ridiculous when someone is compared to Hitler, whether it be the many times Trump has been, or when HRC was, or even when Obama was compared to him, and those whom not only agree with this but also propagate it are being ridiculous as well.

I really don't care what side of the isle you are on, if you make that comparison you are being a tool for your side. 

Not only that, but you are diminishing the infamy of Hitler in the Process.  Ever see Idiocracy with "Hitler Chaplin?"  It's comments like this that bring our collective closer to that fiction. 

Until Trump, or Obama or HRC, commits genocide, there is no comparison. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2017, 02:06:56 pm »

Partial judges in my country would need to find a different occupation very fast because that is not tolerated. Judges are there to apply the Law, irrespective of their personal persuasions, they are impartial. Because interpretations of the law are possible, courts in the Netherlands are presided by multiple (at least 3) judges for complicated or important cases or appeals.

The situation in the USA seems to be highly politicized from my perspective (or as portrayed by you), and thus not very 'just' (except for good judges).

Cheers,
Bart

It's nearly impossible to have a judge removed from office over here.  Judges, once appointed or elected, are lifetime appointments. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2017, 03:37:06 pm »

You need to clarify that this only pertains to Federal judges.  State and local judges are not lifetime appointments (at least all the states that I am familiar with).  Even so there are Federal judges who have been removed from office for malfeasance.
 

True. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2017, 12:01:03 pm »

It's only a recurring question to people who don't like him, who look for every excuse to "knock" him.  The rest of us are hopeful he'll get some good things done for America, and the world.

Maybe for " your world " but not for the " real world " ... a blinkered world seems to be somewhere you is somewhere you inhabit ???

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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2017, 08:28:41 am »

  These are quotes from Mr. Obama's farewell speech.

 NEVER got any good change? What does it take for you? Perhaps pragmatism and realistic aren't in your vocabulary.

 Rich

Come on now, really? 

Obama was graded on CNN by economists and they gave him a C-.  Sure, he did do things that he felt would help with the economy, but any president would have, so he can not be judged by merely doing something.  You have to look at the outcomes, which are: stagnate wages (shown time and time again in the first Friday's reports and contradicting what he said in that 2nd paragraph), one of lowest labor participation rates in history, which is not reflected in employment numbers, an average family income that has virtually not changed.  That longest period of job creation averaged less then the growth of the population, so the only way the unemployment number came down was from people dropping out of the workforce.  Not to mention most of those jobs created are part time in the low paying service industry. 

Reboot of the auto industry? 

Well Ford never took any money and they are doing well, and who is to say that if the other two did not declare bankruptcy they would not have faired better.  Contracts would have been renegotiated, debts would have been lowered, and, on the slight chance they did go all the way to insolvency, another company would have bought them.  Possibly better managed them too.  Also, the other auto makers in the USA (VW, BMW, Honda, etc.) never took any money and are doing well. 

"Today, the economy is growing again; wages, incomes, home values, and retirement accounts are rising again; poverty is falling again." 

Like I mentioned above, wages and family income are still stagnate.  Home values may have come up for their low, but that is more then likely a market force.  Retirement accounts are up, but that is due to the stock market that is loving the FED right now.  Unfortunately, when the next recession hits, the FED won't be able to do anything since the rates are still at 0, which is going to happen since we are in a stock market bubble. 

Insofar as Iran shutting down the nuclear program, that was a direct result of GW Bush's actions of implanting an extremely well designed virus that attacked the computers that controlled the rotors in the refinement process, titled Stuxnet.  Of course, Iran did not know this, and thought their scientists incompetent at the time, and if you can't produce the goods, why continue to deal with the bad publicity.  Now Iran knows they were had (of course won't admit to it, why would you, and the USA won't admit to it either for obvious reasons), so I am sure eventually they will either restart the program in secret or buy from N. Korea. 

(Why else would N. Korea being doing these tests?  There just advertisements and since they sell every other weapon they produce, they will probably try to sell weapons grade nuclear material.  Iran wants it, if not for anything else but to shove it in Israel's face.) 

Listen, I get it, Trump is crass and rough around the edges (like really damn rough), and Obama was well spoken.  Although all of those great speeches still let him oversee more then a 1000 Dems loose their seats. 
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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2017, 08:32:15 am »

Some of us think otherwise.  Dodd/Frank was massive in addressing a number of issues related to the financial meltdown.  The Consumer Protection Bureau is already saving a lot of money for ordinary citizens.  Obamacare offered good insurance to independent workers (my two daughters) for a reasonable price.  We also got two good new women Supreme Court justices.

Personally I feel Dodd-Frank was a bad bill that is inadvertently effecting small banks, due to the shear amount of regulations introduced.  This is reflected in the fact that we have had a period of negative creation of banking institutions for the first time in history after the bill was introduced. 

The CPB may be a good thing.  I think it is far too young to make a judgment. 

Good insurance existed on the open market well before the ACA was implemented.  I know, I bought it. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2017, 06:30:51 pm »

If proof was ever needed: this mornng in The Guardian -

How Trump Thinks: His Tweets and the Birth of a New Political Language by Peter Oborne and Tom Roberts - review in The Guardian

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How Trump thinks? Some would say he’s incapable of it. Ignorant and incurious, given to impromptu rants, jerked to and fro by a cabal of conspiracy theorists, shock jocks and doom-mongers, he is the very epitome of thoughtlessness. Beneath that curvaceous quiff, behind that permatanned pout, his mind is a broiling elemental chaos.
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Oborne and Roberts single out one particular tweet that displays the man, in their words, at his “most repulsive”. When Nelson Mandela died, Trump alleged that he’d enjoyed “a wonderful relationship” with this great martyr of conscience, a modern secular saint. Never mind that they’d hardly met: they were both celebrities, which raised them above the lumpen status of those Trump sniffily calls “civilians” – a category that includes the dimwit have-nots who elected him president.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2017, 04:25:27 pm »

I wonder how soon Comey's book will be coming out?

I'm sure there were publishers at his door before he even got home. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2017, 06:51:31 am »

We don't need the Federal government imposing it's will across all 50 states. The Constitution gave that power to the people and the States, not the federal government.   Let each state decide what they want to do in schools with their food program as they should with the curricula.  We got to get out of this idea that Washington DC is the know it all.  Let people at the local and state levels decide how they want to live, learn, eat and die.

Wasn't there a big backlash to Michelle Obama's school food program?  I kind of remember a hashtag being made by students to protest against it. 

Amazing how that was not written about in the article; that no one actually liked what she did. 
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