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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3740 on: June 22, 2017, 04:56:32 pm »

Can you imagine a more inefficient distribution of photovoltaics than a 2000 mile long ten foot wide string?

if you need to augment the power supply to something installed across 2000 miles it makes some sense... like cameras/motion detectors/etc ... one might assume that wall shall have lights running the whole length of it...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3741 on: June 22, 2017, 05:01:22 pm »

Another move by the big orange dummy...

Trump called for legislation blocking immigrants from receiving welfare for 5 years — but it already exists

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President Donald Trump announced at a rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on Wednesday that he will seek legislation preventing immigrants from receiving welfare for at least five years after entering the country, although they are already barred from most benefits under a 1996 welfare law.

"I believe the time has come for new immigration rules which say those seeking admission into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years," Trump said to thunderous applause.



He added that he will be "putting in legislation to that effect very shortly."

It's unclear how such legislation would depart from policy already in place. The 1996 law, signed by President Bill Clinton, prohibits most immigrants from accessing federal programs such as Social Security and food stamps for their first five years in the US. Eligibility for local benefits programs, however, are usually determined by state governments.

Well, I suppose that's one way to fulfill your promises, promise to do something that's already been done and then take credit :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3742 on: June 22, 2017, 05:22:34 pm »

Election Hackers Altered Voter Rolls, Stole Private Data, Officials Say
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/

Actually, you didn't quote one part of the story that caught my eye. From the link above:

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The fact that private data was stolen from states is separately providing investigators a previously unreported line of inquiry in the probes into Russian attempts to influence the election. In Illinois, more than 90% of the nearly 90,000 records stolen by Russian state actors contained drivers license numbers, and a quarter contained the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers, according to Ken Menzel, the General Counsel of the State Board of Elections.
Congressional investigators are probing whether any of this stolen private information made its way to the Trump campaign, two sources familiar with the investigations tell TIME.

“If any campaign, Trump or otherwise, used inappropriate data the questions are, How did they get it? From whom? And with what level of knowledge?” the former top Democratic staffer on the House Intelligence Committee, Michael Bahar, tells TIME. “That is a crux of the investigation."

Meanwhile Trump is still calling the Russian hackings a hoax...



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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  7h7 hours ago

...Why did Democratic National Committee turn down the DHS offer to protect against hacks (long prior to election). It's all a big Dem HOAX!

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  7h7 hours ago

...Why did the DNC REFUSE to turn over its Server to the FBI, and still hasn't? It's all a big Dem scam and excuse for losing the election!

He still doesn't believe...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3743 on: June 22, 2017, 06:21:40 pm »

if you need to augment the power supply to something installed across 2000 miles it makes some sense... like cameras/motion detectors/etc ... one might assume that wall shall have lights running the whole length of it...

Wait, can it power automated machine gun nests? ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3744 on: June 22, 2017, 08:22:12 pm »

Trump says he did not record conversations with former FBI Director Comey
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-tapes-idUSKBN19D27L

QUOTE Thu Jun 22, 2017 | 1:11pm EDT  "U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday said he did not make and does not possess any tapes of his conversations with former FBI Director James Comey, laying to rest speculation that arose after he tweeted last month that Comey better hope there were no tapes.

"With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea whether there are 'tapes' or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings," Trump wrote on Twitter."


For Alan, this is again a full quote because the article was so short.

Well, if Trump didn't make or have any tapes, why wait to deny that? Is this a diversion from something else?

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Bart
He waited because he knew it would annoy people like you as you foolishly go on another wild goose chase and make democrats look silly to the average American.  The public is going to start wondering why the media and Democrats waste their time on such foolishness.  You bought his bluff and wasted weeks ruminating on it instead of reporting on issues the public really want to hear from elected officials.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3745 on: June 22, 2017, 08:35:23 pm »

Maybe you haven't read or understood the linked article? 
“Bill C-16 has passed the Senate — making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression.

The Canadian Senate apparently is not in favor of discrimination.

So are you saying that you are in favor of discrimination?

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. Maybe there is some legal concern possible about some definitions in the bill that are used without solid legal basis, but that's up to the Canadian lawmakers to decide and amend.
You don't understand the difference between discrimination and free speech.  If I refused to serve a McDonald's hamburger to a gay guy, that's discrimination.  If I call a gay guy a degenerate,  flaming queer who should go to jail for sexual perversion, that's free speech.  It's not discrimination and the government cannot stop me from  saying it.  Canada's Senate wants to impose the latter including jailing people for improperly using the wrong pronoun.   It would never stand in America.  The Supreme Court would find it unconstitutional for imposing regulations on free speech.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3746 on: June 22, 2017, 08:41:41 pm »

Trump's recent statement that it was his idea to put solar panels on the Mexico wall really is beyond the pale. A perfect example of a six-year-old's thinking.

Or someone well and truly baked  :)

Can you imagine a more inefficient distribution of photovoltaics than a 2000 mile long ten foot wide string?  Solar panels are deployed in rectilinear and circular arrays for good reason. 

That he thinks such an idea will appeal to his base is further proof of his disdain for them.  Admit it, Trumpers.  You've been HAD.
Peter, you've been had.  You took the bait.  Again.  You guys don't learn.  You're never going to get it because you're too serious and full of hate to get the joke. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3747 on: June 22, 2017, 08:54:26 pm »

Sorry Peter, wrong idiom.  Instead of "You took the bait", I meant to say "he's pulling your leg".  Lighten up.  Don't take everything he says so seriously.  He jokes around.  Although thinking about the panel idea, it won'tt work anyway because you'd have to face the sun with them.  That means that the panels will have to be on the south side or facing Mexico and all the Mexicans would probably spray paint them black just to tick off the Americans and Trump.

That's a joke.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3748 on: June 22, 2017, 09:14:48 pm »

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Slobodan, I showed this at my poker game last time and the guys thought it was a pisser.  Even the Democrat.  :)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3749 on: June 22, 2017, 09:24:29 pm »

Some things ya just wish you could unsee. So since I saw it, of course I wanted to spread the misery...



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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3750 on: June 22, 2017, 09:31:57 pm »

David Frum on Trump

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The president’s attempt to intimidate James Comey didn’t merely backfire—it may also embolden hostile regimes to conclude his other threats are equally empty.
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The failed intimidation does have important real world consequences. It confirms America’s adversaries in their intensifying suspicion that the president’s tough words are hollow talk.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-lasting-damage-of-trumps-tapes-bluff/531306/
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3751 on: June 22, 2017, 10:06:42 pm »

David Frum on Trump
The president’s attempt to intimidate James Comey didn’t merely backfire—it may also embolden hostile regimes to conclude his other threats are equally empty.
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The failed intimidation does have important real world consequences. It confirms America’s adversaries in their intensifying suspicion that the president’s tough words are hollow talk.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-lasting-damage-of-trumps-tapes-bluff/531306/
  I interpreted Trump's "threat' there may be tapes as a way to make sure Comey didn't embellish the conversation.  Since Comey didn't know if there were tapes or not, he had to be especially accurate about the conversation.  Since Trump didn't have tapes, if Comey embellished the truth to make him look worse, he didn't have any proof that Comey lied.  So Trump's bluff worked.  Maybe as a regular poker player I appreciate a good bluff more than others. 

I don't see adversaries gaining too much from this.  You don't know for sure his position because he bounces around a lot and he's not embarrassed to change his position if its advantageous too. He doesn't let his ego get in the way.  He's bluffs, tells the truth, lies (embellishes) and often says nothing until he acts.  When he sent missiles into Syria and the MOAB, he said nothing beforehand. He'll lower the boom on you when you're not expecting it. There weren't any "tells".  That's good poker too. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3752 on: June 22, 2017, 10:12:28 pm »

... He doesn't let his ego get in the way ...

I just wanted to thank you for that, best belly laugh of the week. It was hilarious.
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« Reply #3753 on: June 22, 2017, 10:26:38 pm »

I just wanted to thank you for that, best belly laugh of the week. It was hilarious.
I didn't say Trump doesn't have a big ego.  He does.  But he doesn't let him stop him from changing his position if it becomes advantageous to him.  The bottom line overrides his ego.  It overrides what we would find embarrassing to us.   For example, he swore that Trump University was better than Harvard.  But when the time was ripe, he paid the plaintiff millions to end the lawsuit and moved on.  He never looked back. 

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« Reply #3754 on: June 22, 2017, 10:32:42 pm »

... For example, he swore that Trump University was better than Harvard.  But when the time was ripe, he paid the plaintiff millions to end the lawsuit and moved on.  He never looked back.

I'm confused. Are you saying that this was a good thing?
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« Reply #3755 on: June 22, 2017, 10:47:18 pm »

Since Trump didn't have tapes, if Comey embellished the truth to make him look worse, he didn't have any proof that Comey lied.  So Trump's bluff worked.  Maybe as a regular poker player I appreciate a good bluff more than others. 

Yeah, that bluff worked like a charm...it convinced Comey to release his notes of all of his conversations with Trump and ended up with the hiring of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to take over the criminal investigation. So, Trump bluffed himself from NOT being under investigation to being under investigation. Wow, if you play poker as bad as Trump, I would love to play you...

Just in case you missed it, here's a special article for Trump supporters:

A Special Enemy
Former FBI Director Robert Mueller was born and bred to torment Donald Trump.




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Donald Trump went to sleep Wednesday night with a new enemy outside his window: former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mueller, a 72-year-old former prosecutor who left the FBI in 2013, has been called upon by the Justice Department to serve as a special counsel to investigate Trump and his associates. In accordance with an order issued Wednesday by the deputy attorney general, it will be up to Mueller—whose last name is pronounced Muh-lur—to decide whether anyone involved in the Trump campaign should be charged with a crime. “I accept this responsibility and will discharge it to the best of my ability,” Mueller said in a statement Wednesday.

Even if Mueller’s investigation doesn’t result in any charges being brought, it’s almost certain Mueller and his team will end up asking Trump questions he doesn’t want to answer and demanding to see documents he doesn’t want to provide. Barring a drastic change in Trump’s disposition, the president will respond to these affronts by publishing angry tweets about Mueller and snarling about him in interviews. Maybe he’ll even compare him to a “dog,” as he did recently when talking about former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates. Or perhaps he could threaten Mueller, as he did last week in a tweet directed at former FBI Director James Comey.

While Trump loathes a lot of people, his hatred of Mueller is likely to be particularly intense. That’s because Mueller is exactly the kind of guy Trump always hates. He’s also exactly the kind of law enforcement official Trump doesn’t understand.


And, it doesn't end with just Mueller. He has a investigative dream team that will undoubtedly give the Trumpster nightmares...

What does Robert Mueller's team tell us about the Russia investigation?

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Seasoned lawyers with a depth of experience that includes the investigations into Watergate, Enron and the bombings of the US embassies in east Africa won’t be intimidated by the intense spotlight, experts say

Even before the special counsel’s inquiry has begun in earnest into links between the Trump campaign and Moscow, the team Robert Mueller is building provides clues about which way the investigation is heading.

One is a veteran of the Watergate investigation, and Donald Trump – like Richard Nixon – was reported on Wednesday to now be under investigation for obstruction of justice. Other team members have specialities that could point toward where Mueller is looking after taking over control of the investigation from the FBI: money laundering, financial fraud and Russian organised crime.

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It is the specialities of Mueller’s team that is more likely to be a serious concern to the Trump camp, since they point to a wide-ranging inquiry that will look into all aspects of Trump’s complex links to Russia.

One of the more recent recruits is reported to be Lisa Page, a justice department trial attorney with a substantial record of investigating Russian and former Soviet organised crime and in particular its reputed godfather, Semion Mogilevich.

Mogilevich associates are reported to have owned condos in Trump Tower in New York, and the father of Trump’s business partner in the Trump Soho hotel, Felix Sater, was a Mogilevich lieutenant.

Vladimir Putin is known to use oligarchs and organised crime bosses as instruments of Kremlin influence abroad.

“This pick really shows that Mueller recognises that Russian organised crime and sophisticated financial transactions involving them are going to be right at the centre and Page is definitely a leading expert there,” said Scott Horton, a US lawyer with experience of working in eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.

Another sign that the Mueller team will take a “follow the money” approach is the recruitment of Andrew Weissmann, an organised crime expert who oversaw lengthy cases in the US district court for the eastern district of New York focused on the city’s mafia families and their infiltration of Wall Street.

Weissmann formerly led the FBI’s fraud unit and the taskforce that unpicked the complex financial dealings of Enron, after the giant energy corporation collapsed in December 2001. It was the most complex white collar crime investigation in FBI history and led to the convictions of the firm’s top management.

“What is striking to me is that his team is a counter-intelligence team and is a money fraud, banking, laundering-type team. Andrew Weissman did the Enron cases, which is all about following the money trail,” said Paul Rosenzweig, a former deputy assistant secretary for policy in the homeland security department.

Another legal heavyweight Mueller has recruited is Michael Dreeben, a former deputy solicitor general who has argued more than 100 cases before the US supreme court. Rosenzweig described him on the Lawfare blog as “quite possibly the best criminal appellate lawyer in America” and said he represented even worse news for Trump last week than Comey’s damning testimony.

Mueller has brought with him three members of his law firm, WilmerHale, who have justice department and law enforcement backgrounds. One of them is James Quarles, who was part of the Watergate taskforce and focus on irregularities in GOP campaign finance.

Another WilmerHale lawyer is a former FBI agent, Aaron Zebley, a cybersecurity specialist who, according to Wired magazine, was part of the bureau’s I-49 counter-terrorism unit, which helped track down the bombers who blew up the US embassies in east Africa in 1998. He worked as a counsel at the justice department’s national security division before following Mueller to WilmerHale.

The third member of the WilmerHale trio is Jeannie Rhee, who was deputy assistant attorney general in the Obama administration and is an expert on the intersection of criminal law and government.

“This is a team with wide expertise that is really top notch,” said Karen Greenberg, the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham University. “These are people who have a number of competencies who have dealt with fraud and corruption and who know government well. All of them know obstruction of justice and many have worked with Mueller and with each other before.”

So, if this was a Trump bluff, it backfired with a glorious splendor, well, unless you are a Trump supported. In that case, Trump screwed the pooch and is now staring down the barrel of such an intensive investigation that by the time Robert Mueller and his team is done, we'll know everything, regardless of where the chips may fall.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #3756 on: June 22, 2017, 11:16:06 pm »

Lighten up.  Don't take everything he says so seriously.  He jokes around.

Really? That's how you explain his behaviour?  He's just joking around?

You know him better than I.  How can you tell when he's joking and when he's serious?



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« Reply #3757 on: June 23, 2017, 01:45:13 am »

Really? That's how you explain his behaviour?  He's just joking around?

You know him better than I.  How can you tell when he's joking and when he's serious?




First get rid of your prejudice against him.  As long as you stay angry, you won't know when he's pulling your leg.  You see I knew he was bluffing when he said he had tapes.  And only a jokester would recommend putting solar panels on the wall. 

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« Reply #3758 on: June 23, 2017, 02:05:57 am »

Yeah, that bluff worked like a charm...it convinced Comey to release his notes of all of his conversations with Trump and ended up with the hiring of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to take over the criminal investigation. So, Trump bluffed himself from NOT being under investigation to being under investigation. Wow, if you play poker as bad as Trump, I would love to play you...


So, if this was a Trump bluff, it backfired with a glorious splendor, well, unless you are a Trump supported. In that case, Trump screwed the pooch and is now staring down the barrel of such an intensive investigation that by the time Robert Mueller and his team is done, we'll know everything, regardless of where the chips may fall.
Comey acknowledged that he create those notes in his car about his conversation with Trump with the intention of getting a special counsel involved.  That was before Trump said anything about tapes.  Trump knew the conversation he had with Comey was going to come out in hearings before congress.  At the time, it was important that Comey tell only what happened and not embellish it in any way.  So he said he had tapes to keep Comey honest.

The real problem with the Special Counsel was that his guy Sessions recused himself.  That's why Trump was so upset at him because he lost his protection.  Session would never had picked a Special Counsel.  Trump had and has little control of Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General who is not loyal to Trump.   He's just another bureaucrat.  Meanwhile, Rosenstein went ahead and got  a Special Counsel and Trump can't stop him because Session is recused.    But the bluff about the tapes still was a good idea because what Comey said in apparent honest testimony does not add up to obstruction of justice.  Of course Trump knew this as well because he knew what he said to Comey.  However, if Comey embellished it by saying that "yeah, he really pushed me to drop the investigation.", Trump had no tapes to prove he lied.  But of course Comey didn't know that so was extra careful he told the truth and only the truth before congress and nothing more. 

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« Reply #3759 on: June 23, 2017, 02:13:21 am »

Nice bluff Trump, now you are in for some pure misery....



Will Robert Mueller Separate Fact From Fiction?

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In Washington, the 'first law of holes' is one of those shopworn maxims that are so familiar, they need not be spoken. It's like what you should do if you want a friend in the capital: 'Get a dog' goes without saying.

But maybe things are different where Donald Trump came from. And maybe that's why he didn't know what to do when he found his young presidency in a small hole involving contacts between a few of his underlings and Russian officials.

Now he's learning the local folklore the hard way. The first law of holes is, if you're in one, stop digging. Three times, Trump heard assurances from former FBI director James Comey that the Russia investigation wasn't aimed at him. Instead of putting his shovel down, though, Trump worked it furiously.

According to Comey's sworn testimony, Trump pushed the G-man for a public exoneration, and when Comey demurred, he may have pressed his case with Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency Director Mike Rogers. Unsatisfied, he fired Comey in ham-fisted fashion, then reportedly boasted to Russian visitors that he did it to take pressure off the investigation. Now he's in the hounded condition of various predecessors: struggling to regain control of the agenda, lashing out at aides, shouting at television sets and peppering his dig-the-hole-deeper tweets with all-caps exasperation.

He blames his enemies, but guess what? All Presidents have enemies. Successful ones try to outsmart them. Trump's own actions have turned a small hole into a yawning abyss: a special counsel's investigation that could run from the Oval Office to Trump Tower and command headlines for the next year or more. Trump has traded the anguished Hamlet Comey for the adamantine Marine Robert Mueller, the Justice Department ramrod who remade the FBI after 9/11. As special counsel appointed in the wake of the Comey firing, Mueller has one job, no deadline and bottomless resources, and he is assembling an all-star team of veteran prosecutors whose expert backgrounds go beyond counterintelligence to include money laundering, corporate fraud and the limits of Executive Branch power.
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