Trump II

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I see you needed a Serb to explain it to you

...Vladan Joler and his brainy friends in Belgrade...

[LesPalenik]

A follow up from Macron...



Macron says his white-knuckle handshake with Trump was a 'moment of truth'



:~)

The surprising thing is that it took that long for someone to teach Trump a lesson on the proper handshaking. And certainly, it didn't hurt Macron's approval rate.
 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Merkel: "Europe can no longer rely on US and Britain"

Trump: "Mission accomplished!"

[kers]

Merkel: "Europe can no longer rely on US and Britain"

Trump: "Mission accomplished!"

congratulations!
It is always easier to brake things down than to built things up.
I guess that is why the US is making so much weapons ( of mass destruction).
With Trumps nuclear head detonating every day this kind of success is guaranteed.

[Alan Klein]

If only you could read further than what you erroneously think confirms your own bias, you'd see how silly your remark is. Not 100% objective means that some news can have some bias in one aspect of the metrics used, and no bias, or in another direction, for another metric. On average (which is why they score on a number of criteria, like political bias, how factual the information is, and if the media if they provide links to credible, verifiable sources) the result will be, just that, an average, based on objective criteria.  They apply an equal weighting on the importance of the scoring parameters for determining bias, one could also use other weightings or more parameters which would also give objective results.

So either you are (convincingly) pretending that you do not understand statistics, or you are really that ignorant.

While I can appreciate your architecture photography, I'm truly disappointed in your unconstructive trollish conduct in these matters, but feel free to go on, we live in a free world.

And to get back to the subject of the thread, despite your attempt to derail it, here's some more news from a least biased source

Senate intelligence panel requests Trump campaign documents: Washington Post
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-documents-idUSKBN18M2QF

and at the same time:

In shakeup, Trump to set up 'war room' to repel attacks over Russia probe
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-warroom-idUSKBN18M2FU

And,

Trump hits out at 'fake news' following Kushner reports
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-kushner-idUSKBN18O0G0

""It is my opinion that many of the leaks coming out of the White House are fabricated lies made up by the #FakeNews media," Trump wrote in a series of Twitter posts on Sunday.

Shortly after the tweets, Trump's Homeland Security Secretary, John Kelly, made the rounds of Sunday television news shows to praise any so-called back channel communications, especially with Russia, as "a good thing."

The White House faces mounting questions about potential ties between Russia and Trump's presidential campaign, which are also the subject of criminal and congressional investigations. Trump officials were preparing to establish a "war room" to address an issue that has begun to dominate his young presidency."

So, either it's fake news, or it is a good thing. It can't be both, can it? Well, I suppose that with Trump anything's possible.

Cheers,
Bart

For the heck of it I looked up Reuters, who you think is fair and balanced,  and clicked on the first recent Reuters news story I saw. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-trump-allies-analysis-idUSKBN18O0BP?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29

It's full of bias.  It's all taken from the European standpoint, what's good for them.  It makes backhanded swipes of Trump as a disaster.  Yet, it never mentions that he is acting mainly as he promised his voters during the campaign.  He doesn't work for Europe or European leaders. If they don't like his pressure, let them get a different job.  He doesn't have to kiss their asses.  He works for America and Americans and their security and economic needs.  Yet this aspect of his position is missing from the article.  That's why Reuters is biased to the left and why you are reading biased liberal news even with Reuters. 

[Schewe]

It's full of bias.

Actually based on what I've seen and read it was a pretty darn accurate reporting of the events and what people thought about it. Yes it has a Eropean slant because well Trump and the administration were hiding from the US press. They held zero press briefings so the Ameri point of view became filtered by the Euro point of view because that is who talked to the press.

This was an accurate report that happens to paint a picture of a guy that was played by the professionals. Trump supporters will be pleased because Trump was the tough guy but they won't understand what happened... that Trump embarrassed himself and all of America.

Sad...but not biased. The truth kinda sucks huh?

[LesPalenik]

On UK betting markets, the odds on Trump failing to see out his four-year term dropped to 5/6 from evens on Betfair, implying a 55 percent chance that he will leave.
Betfair was also offering odds of 12/5 percent that Trump would leave office this year, implying a 27 percent chance that he would depart. Betfair said that the odds for such an early departure had never been shorter.
Spokeswoman Jessica Bridge added that Ladbrokes had taken close to 50,000 pounds on various wagers over Trump's future, including whether he would be impeached and the year he might be replaced.

This shows all kinds of new business activities created by the recent Trump actions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4514426/UK-punters-early-exit-Trump-bookmakers.html

[Alan Klein]

Actually based on what I've seen and read it was a pretty darn accurate reporting of the events and what people thought about it. Yes it has a Eropean slant because well Trump and the administration were hiding from the US press. They held zero press briefings so the Ameri point of view became filtered by the Euro point of view because that is who talked to the press.

This was an accurate report that happens to paint a picture of a guy that was played by the professionals. Trump supporters will be pleased because Trump was the tough guy but they won't understand what happened... that Trump embarrassed himself and all of America.

Sad...but not biased. The truth kinda sucks huh?

You're right, it has a European slant.  That's anti-Trump.  So you agree with my point.  It's biased, not fair and balanced as Bart claimed.  They could have added to the article something like, "Although many Europeans leaders were concerned at Trump's antagonistic approach, he was in keeping with much of what he promised his voters - that he would put American interests first."

But you didn't get that because not only are Europeans anti-Trump, many are anti-American.  And the reporters there who work for Reuters are as biased in their viewpoints. 

[Alan Klein]

This shows all kinds of new business activities created by the recent Trump actions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4514426/UK-punters-early-exit-Trump-bookmakers.html

Are these the same bookies who gave Trump an 15% chance of being elected?

[Alan Klein]

Take the bet!

[Alan Klein]

And speech excerpts of the American leaders at the NATO summit

Obama at the NATO summit after the Russian invasion of Crimea:
First and foremost, we have reaffirmed the central mission of the Alliance.  Article 5 enshrines our solemn duty to each other—“an armed attack against one … shall be considered an attack against them all.” This is a binding, treaty obligation.  It is non-negotiable. And here in Wales, we’ve left absolutely no doubt—we will defend every Ally.

George W. Bush expressed that same thought after NATO expansion in 2002.
Nations in the family of NATO, old or new, know this: Anyone who would choose you for an enemy also chooses us for an enemy. Never again in the face of aggression will you stand alone.

As a candidate, Donald Trump had expressed doubt about the point of both NATO  and Article 5. His pro-Putin tilt is notorious, culminating in blurting highly secret information to the Russian foreign minister in an Oval Office meeting from which American media were barred. On May 25, he was literally speaking at the dedication of—in words that appeared at the top of his printed text—the unveiling of a memorial to Article 5 at NATO’s new headquarters. And here is all he had to say on that score: "We will never forsake the friends who stood by our side.” That’s a sweet thought, but it’s not a guarantee.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trumps-moral-holiday/528327/

  So Obama let the Russians hijack Crimea and take part of the eastern Ukraine.  He let Russia and Iran move into Syria as power brokers.  He let China create militarized islands in the South China Sea against international law and world court rulings.  What makes you think he would really have honored NATO commitments if push came to shove? 

And if I recall correctly, the same people who honor Bush now were the same people who castigated him about Iraq.  They called him a warmonger and should be impeached.

And Trump is what?

[Schewe]

And Trump is what?

In way WAY over his head...

[LesPalenik]

  So Obama let the Russians hijack Crimea and take part of the eastern Ukraine.  He let Russia and Iran move into Syria as power brokers.  He let China create militarized islands in the South China Sea against international law and world court rulings.  What makes you think he would really have honored NATO commitments if push came to shove? 

And if I recall correctly, the same people who honor Bush now were the same people who castigated him about Iraq.  They called him a warmonger and should be impeached.

And Trump is what?

Whoa, you realy expanded on that post!  I was much less ambitious in my post, just wanted to compare what did he say vs the previous US leaders.
Nothing that couldn't be fixed by hiring a good speech writer.

[Alan Klein]

Whoa, you realy expanded on that post!  I was much less ambitious in my post, just wanted to compare what did he say vs the previous US leaders.
Nothing that couldn't be fixed by hiring a good speech writer.

He won the election because his voters appreciated his frankness if not his ineloquence.  He's shaken up the European leaders just like he did the Republicans who ran against him in the Primary.  At least he didn't call them names like Lying Ted, Low Energy Bush and Little Marco. 

[LesPalenik]

He has shaken them alright. Unfortunately, not in a wise and respectable way.
 
Trump's Trip Was a Catastrophe for US-Europe Relations

[Alan Klein]

He has shaken them alright. Unfortunately, not in a wise and respectable way.
 
Trump's Trip Was a Catastrophe for US-Europe Relations

Well, Obama was respectable, eloquent, passionate, inspirational, a really nice guy who they smiled to his face and laughed behind his back taking  advantage of his weakness in execution and wanting to be liked.  They're upset at Trump because he's nobody's fool and knows their game. 

[LesPalenik]

That approach can work sometimes or for a while, but not in the long run.
Not that we can do much from here, it's more like watching a huge boulder rolling down the mountain.

On a second thought, maybe by now some of the other leaders are already getting fed up with Trump's bullying and rude ways.
It started with the France's Supreme Hand Crusher, then Canada' s Trudeau may forget his polite ways and knock him out, (Trudeau's Box Fight), but whatever Trump does, he shouldn't upset Wladimir Putin. His karate slaps and kicks could really hurt.

[Schewe]

You're right, it has a European slant.  That's anti-Trump.

Uh, no...sorry, it's got a "European slant" because none of the US administration people would talk to the US press...get it?

The US reporters would have been HAPPY to ask Trump & Co. questions but in a break from tradition, nobody from Trump & Co. talked to the press. Tillerson DID have a press conference, but it was ONLY for Saudi journalists...no Americans were allowed in.

So, the fact that the article had a European viewpoint is that is who would talk to the US reporters...get it? The reason that the US people weren't quoted is because they hid from the press. I guess that makes some sort of deluded sense if you are convinced the media is the enemy...but you shouldn't be surprised at the result.

Yet, again, Trump got played at a game he doesn't even know how to play.

BTW, Noah Barkin who is a Special Correspondent Europe for Reuters, has been working for them for 23 years...and before you ask, he's originally from California and holds degrees from U.C. Berkeley and Columbia University so, he's an American.

[Schewe]

Trump Had At Least 15 Chances To Address The Portland Attack On Twitter. He Didn’t.

Instead, the president tweeted about “fake news,” attacked the media and congratulated Republicans on the congressional win in Montana.

President Donald Trump has been tweeting regularly throughout the weekend, but not once has he mentioned the fatal stabbing in Portland, Oregon that left two men dead after they confronted a man spewing hatred to two Muslim girls.

On Friday, Ricky John Best and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche were stabbed to death while traveling on one of Portland’s MAX trains. They both stood up to confront a man verbally attacking two girls, one of whom was wearing a hijab.

Police say Jeremy Joseph Christian, 35, who has ties to white supremacist groups, targeted the girls for “religiously and racially motivated reasons.” When confronted by Best, Namkai-Meche and a third man, 21-year-old Micah David-Cole Fletcher, Christian violently attacked them with a knife. Fletcher survived the stabbing but remains in the hospital with serious injuries.

Since the fatal attack made national news on Saturday, Trump has sent more than a dozen tweets. Not one of those messages mention Portland, the two deceased men being hailed as “heroes,” or a condemnation of the attacker’s actions that are being investigated by police as a hate crime.

Instead, Trump has focused his public comments on deriding the news media, congratulating Republicans on a congressional win in Montana and his recent trip to the Middle East and Europe.

Hum...I guess it doesn't fit his narrative huh? They were not killed by an undocumented immigrant or a "radical Islamic terrorist." They were killed facing down a man allegedly spewing hate speech directed at two teenage girls, one of whom was wearing a hijab. Jeremy Joseph Christian, the wackjob who murdered them has a criminal record including felony robbery, kidnapping and weapon convictions was a known white Supremacist. I guess that's not something Trump wants to talk about...

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

That approach can work sometimes or for a while, but not in the long run.
Not that we can do much from here, it's more like watching a huge boulder rolling down the mountain.

On a second thought, maybe by now some of the other leaders are already getting fed up with Trump's bullying and rude ways.
It started with the France's Supreme Hand Crusher, then Canada' s Trudeau may forget his polite ways and knock him out, (Trudeau's Box Fight), but whatever Trump does, he shouldn't upset Wladimir Putin. His karate slaps and kicks could really hurt.

However, after he insulted Angela Merkel first by presenting a fake bill for past NATO contributions, Trump was smart enough to avoid Angela Merkel's death grip when she was visiting in the Whitehouse ... He was briefed that she had meticulously prepared herself for the visit, he probably thought it had to do with physical exercise.

Cheers,
Bart