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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2760 on: May 19, 2017, 04:12:14 pm »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2761 on: May 19, 2017, 04:23:23 pm »

Will the truth win out?  All of the President's Falsehoods:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.8146851f7c5f

That has become a paid site. There is no way I am going to finance fake news.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2762 on: May 19, 2017, 04:57:17 pm »

Just because the media is biased against Trump does not mean that they are wrong. Maybe they know him better than you do.  :)

Besides, wouldn't we all be a little suspicious of the press if it was NOT critical of those in power? When I hear politicians complain about the media being against them, it makes me suspect that they are doing a good job. The media is not the marketing department of the people in power.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2763 on: May 19, 2017, 05:17:31 pm »

According to mediabiasfactcheck.com

HEAT STREET



RIGHT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.

Factual Reporting: MIXED

Notes: Heat Street is a conservative opinion and commentary website. Launched in February 2016, the website is headed by British writer and former politician Louise Mensch. It is owned by News Corp under Dow Jones & Company. This source has a right wing bias through wording and story selection. Heat Street was also one of the sources Donald Trump quoted for his debunked claim that his phone was wiretapped by Obama.

Source: http://heatst.com/

In actuality, the original source is a better source to look at...

News Coverage of Donald Trump’s First 100 Days

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The report is based on an analysis of news reports in the print editions of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post, the main newscasts of CBS, CNN, Fox News, and NBC, and three European news outlets (The UK’s Financial Times and BBC, and Germany’s ARD).

Findings include:

President Trump dominated media coverage in the outlets and programs analyzed, with Trump being the topic of 41 percent of all news stories—three times the amount of coverage received by previous presidents. He was also the featured speaker in nearly two-thirds of his coverage.

Republican voices accounted for 80 percent of what newsmakers said about the Trump presidency, compared to only 6 percent for Democrats and 3 percent for those involved in anti-Trump protests.

European reporters were more likely than American journalists to directly question Trump’s fitness for office.

Trump has received unsparing coverage for most weeks of his presidency, without a single major topic where Trump’s coverage, on balance, was more positive than negative, setting a new standard for unfavorable press coverage of a president.

Fox was the only news outlet in the study that came close to giving Trump positive coverage overall, however, there was variation in the tone of Fox’s coverage depending on the topic.

And some conclusions...

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Have the mainstream media covered Trump in a fair and balanced way? That question cannot be answered definitively in the absence of an agreed-upon version of “reality” against which to compare Trump’s coverage. Any such assessment would also have to weigh the news media’s preference for the negative, a tendency in place long before Trump became president. Given that tendency, the fact that Trump has received more negative coverage than his predecessor is hardly surprising. The early days of his presidency have been marked by far more missteps and miss-hits, often self-inflicted, than any presidency in memory, perhaps ever.

What’s truly atypical about Trump’s coverage is that it’s sharply negative despite the fact that he’s the source of nearly two-thirds of the sound bites surrounding his coverage. Typically, newsmakers and groups complain that their media narrative is negative because they’re not given a chance to speak for themselves. Over the past decade, U.S. coverage of Muslims has been more than 75 percent negative. And Muslims have had little chance to tell their side of the story. Muslims account for less than 5 percent of the voices heard in news reports about Islam.[31] So why is Trump’s coverage so negative even though he does most of the talking? The fact is, he’s been on the defensive during most of his 100 days in office, trying to put the best face possible on executive orders, legislative initiatives, appointments, and other undertakings that have gone bad. Even Fox has not been able to save him from what analyst David Gergen called the “’worst 100 days we’ve ever seen.”[32]

So, just because it's negative doesn't mean it's wrong...and if Trump would just shut his mouth (and quite tweeting) the number of negative stories would go down.

BTW, Heat Street is to the right of Fox and just to the left of Breitbart. Pretty charts though Slobodan :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2764 on: May 20, 2017, 01:11:36 am »

At least this is funny!

TIME MAGAZINE RIPS OFF MAD MAGAZINE?

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Once More, With Stealing Dept.

In 1952, Time Magazine called MAD “a short lived, satirical pulp.” Now they’re stealing our material! Honestly, we’re flattered, but we would have appreciated a credit — something like, “Idea stolen from MAD, which in 1952 we called a short lived satirical pulp!”


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2765 on: May 20, 2017, 01:22:03 am »

Ya can't make this stuff up...seriously!

Looks Like The President Copied His Speech From Elle Woods

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“The Tonight Show” host Jimmy Fallon listened to President Donald Trump’s latest commencement address at the Liberty University and thought he heard something familiar — specifically, throwbacks to the famous 2001 comedy “Legally Blonde.”

Trump's speech was pretty reminiscent of Elle Woods' (Reese Witherspoon) address to her law school classmates at graduation.

“I watched Trump’s commencement speech, and it sounded kind of familiar,” the late-night host said, before playing a combination of clips from the billionaire baron’s address simultaneously with Woods' speech to her graduating class at the Harvard University.

The video highlighting common words and sentences showed Elle's famous line:
"It is with passion, courage, conviction, and most importantly, have faith in yourself. We did it!"

Followed by Trump’s recent address:
"It is with passion, courage and your convictions, and most importantly, be true to yourself. I did it!" he said.

Donald Trump Plagiarizes Legally Blonde Grad Speech - Monologue - You Tube
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2766 on: May 20, 2017, 01:38:26 am »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2767 on: May 20, 2017, 01:41:11 am »

Ya can't make this stuff up...seriously!

And yet, you did:

"Did President Trump Plagiarize His Commencement Speech from 'Legally Blonde'?"

http://www.snopes.com/trump-legally-blonde-speech/


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2768 on: May 20, 2017, 01:52:32 am »

"Harvard Study Reveals Huge Extent of Anti-Trump Media Bias"
(unjustified) bias or (inconvenient) truth ?

My call: a bit of both  ;)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2769 on: May 20, 2017, 01:58:40 am »

And yet, you did:

"Did President Trump Plagiarize His Commencement Speech from 'Legally Blonde'?"

http://www.snopes.com/trump-legally-blonde-speech/

Got ya!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2770 on: May 20, 2017, 02:03:00 am »

Enough of the fun stuff...

Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation

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WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.

The Whitehouse has not denied the report...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2771 on: May 20, 2017, 02:08:15 am »

First on CNN: Russian officials bragged they could use Flynn to influence Trump, sources say

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Washington (CNN)Russian officials bragged in conversations during the presidential campaign that they had cultivated a strong relationship with former Trump adviser retired Gen. Michael Flynn and believed they could use him to influence Donald Trump and his team, sources told CNN.

The conversations deeply concerned US intelligence officials, some of whom acted on their own to limit how much sensitive information they shared with Flynn, who was tapped to become Trump's national security adviser, current and former governments officials said.

"This was a five-alarm fire from early on," one former Obama administration official said, "the way the Russians were talking about him." Another former administration official said Flynn was viewed as a potential national security problem.

The conversations picked up by US intelligence officials indicated the Russians regarded Flynn as an ally, sources said. That relationship developed throughout 2016, months before Flynn was caught on an intercepted call in December speaking with Russia's ambassador in Washington, Sergey Kislyak. That call, and Flynn's changing story about it, ultimately led to his firing as Trump's first national security adviser.

Officials cautioned, however, that the Russians might have exaggerated their sway with Trump's team during those conversations.

Flynn's lawyer declined to comment.

No wonder Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2772 on: May 20, 2017, 02:16:04 am »

https://www.rt.com/usa/389030-comey-testify-collusion-trump/Ex-FBI chief Comey to testify to Senate panel in public session

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Former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump last week amid an agency probe into alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. election, has agreed to testify before the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee at a public hearing, the committee said in a statement on Friday.

The hearing will be scheduled after the May 29 Memorial Day holiday, the statement said.

The gift that keeps on giving...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2773 on: May 20, 2017, 02:23:11 am »

And from the far right...

Krauthammer: There’s ‘A Loyalty Problem Inside the White House’

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On Friday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Special Report,” columnist Charles Krauthammer argued the New York Times’ report about President Trump’s conversations with Russian officials about FBI Director James Comey’s firing shows that there’s “a loyalty problem inside the White House.”

Krauthammer began by saying the White House’s protests about leaks with regard to Trump’s discussions with Russian officials about FBI Director James Comey’s dismissal is “inadvertently self-indicting. Because, after all, the idea that journalists are going to receive leaks is — it’s a constant.

Of course if it was up to Trump he would throw the journalists in jail for writing about the leaks :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2774 on: May 20, 2017, 02:34:29 am »

As an outsider, and a person who has never visited the US, I'm rather amazed at all the confusion that's going on.

In a free democracy with transparent voting procedures, it would be expected that the people get the president they deserve.
If the majority is too stupid to work out which is the best candidate, then they must suffer the consequences.
If the system is designed in such a way that the total majority of individual votes in all states combined, does not determine the results, then presumably that's for a reason, in order not to marginalize the less populated states.

The US has chosen, within the parameters of its voting system, to elect an apparently incompetent president. This is not Donald Trumps's fault. My understanding is that he was initially very surprised that his tactics during the election campaign appeared to be very successful. It's understandable that he continued with such tactics and eventually became President.

The fact that he became President could be considered as a criticism of the intelligence of the American people plus their obvious disenchantment with previous governments. There was no other candidate who could 'trump' Trump. Don't blame Trump for that.

All this concern about Russia's involvement in the election outcome, is a total distraction and a waste of money.
America's problems are it's huge debt, it's continuing military expenditure, and its lousy health care system for the poor and vulnerable. Fix it if you can. If you can't, then suffer the consequences.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2775 on: May 20, 2017, 02:42:06 am »

Officials identify White House 'person of interest' in Trump-Russia investigation

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The FBI investigation into ties between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russian officials has reached the White House, according to a damaging new report on Friday.

The Washington Post reported that investigators have identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, according to people familiar with the matter. The individual is described as someone who is “close to the president”.

In a statement, White House press secretary Sean Spicer did not deny the report, saying simply: “As the president has stated before – a thorough investigation will confirm that there was no collusion between the campaign and any foreign entity.”

Jared Kushner?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2776 on: May 20, 2017, 02:53:19 am »

In a free democracy with transparent voting procedures, it would be expected that the people get the president they deserve.

We did...

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If the majority is too stupid to work out which is the best candidate, then they must suffer the consequences.

We are...

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If the system is designed in such a way that the total majority of individual votes in all states combined, does not determine the results, then presumably that's for a reason, in order not to marginalize the less populated states.

That's the way it's supposed to work...

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The US has chosen, within the parameters of its voting system, to elect an apparently incompetent president.

Yep, but it was not without impact from outside of the normal election process...Russia had a hand in perverting the process.

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My understanding is that he was initially very surprised that his tactics during the election campaign appeared to be very successful.

Yeah, pretty sure he was surprised (and a bit freaked out) that he won...so was the rest of the world BTW...

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All this concern about Russia's involvement in the election outcome, is a total distraction and a waste of money.

Well, that's where you are wrong...is it not wise to study what the Russians did so the rest of the world can avoid being similarly attacked? They (the Russians) tried to impact the French elections and there is the German election next year...don't you think it's important for the democracies of the western world to be prepared to defend their elections?

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If you can't, then suffer the consequences.

Yeah, thanks, we already figured that out (DOOOH!)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2777 on: May 20, 2017, 03:53:44 am »

Well, that's where you are wrong...is it not wise to study what the Russians did so the rest of the world can avoid being similarly attacked? They (the Russians) tried to impact the French elections and there is the German election next year...don't you think it's important for the democracies of the western world to be prepared to defend their elections?

Every involved authority tries to influence elections, whether internally or externally. The bottom line is that each individual casts a vote, if they want to. (In Australia it's compulsory. You get fined for not voting.) If Americans are too stupid to analyse the media reports and the innuendos from whatever source, and make up their own mind, then don't blame the Russians. Blame yourselves and work out what you did wrong.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2778 on: May 20, 2017, 06:33:11 am »

If Americans are too stupid to analyse the media reports and the innuendos from whatever source, and make up their own mind, then don't blame the Russians. Blame yourselves and work out what you did wrong.

Yep ya got us...from now on political parties should hire MIT grads to run their IT departments and campaign managers shall NOT use gmail (and have a password other than "PASSWORD").

Cool, got any sage advice about what to do about confermation bias and fake news?  What about how to attract honest people to run for office? Surely you know how to fix America, right? Help us, please...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2779 on: May 20, 2017, 07:03:21 am »

Yep ya got us...from now on political parties should hire MIT grads to run their IT departments and campaign managers shall NOT use gmail (and have a password other than "PASSWORD").

Cool, got any sage advice about what to do about confermation bias and fake news?  What about how to attract honest people to run for office? Surely you know how to fix America, right? Help us, please...

Sure! No problem! You have a democratic system similar to Australia's, which consists of a House of Representatives, and a Senate, largely made up of two major parties, one on the left and one on the right.

The IQ of your representatives should be higher than average, wouldn't you agree? Whatever the biases of your politicians in government, if they don't have the nous to understand that an intelligent compromise on policies is required, in order to make America great again, then you're stuffed.  ;)
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