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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6440 on: September 24, 2017, 09:29:08 PM »

I am actually against an artificial push to establish proportionality for proportionality sake

This is a particular issue for (East and South) Asian-Americans these days, especially recent immigrants, many of whom argue that it's more difficult for their hard-working, highly-motivated children to be accepted for admission to selective colleges and universities than applicants with other backgrounds because the admissions committees are trying to achieve some sort of demographic target.

(Fortunately, this is a self-limiting problem: one aspect of the miracle of America is that after the first generation, the kids tend to be as lazy as all the rest of those whose parents were born here.)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6441 on: September 24, 2017, 09:35:01 PM »

Having said that,  Trump should not use the issue to make political points.   He should express that while he appreciates the concerns people have, these should be addressed at a different time.   The anthem is our time to show the country's unity and support of each other.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6442 on: September 24, 2017, 10:18:35 PM »

Where is the left's demand for racial equality and proportional representation? They want women to reach 50% in everything, they want Oscars not to be "so white," but have no problem that certain sports are "so black"?

But previously you wrote:

May I kindly suggest to tone down the rhetoric of “stupid, idiots, brain-washed” etc. It is as productive and beneficial for a reasonable debate as calling the other side racists, bigots, and deplorables. We are all here reasonably intelligent and educated people, just with different value systems and opinions.

So, what is a leftist, liberal to do when confronted with rhetoric designed to be confrontational, insulting and generally ignorant and backward?

Well, I will defend people's right to say whatever they may want to say regardless of how stupid, idiotic, brainwashed and racist it may seem to some people but personally, I don't let it affect me.

But might I answer that the question is self evident (and rather obvious)?

This whole Trumped up brouhaha was designed to have the Sunday political shows forget about the fact that once again, it seems Trump and the GOP have stepped on their you know whats regarding Repeal & Replace™ and that even more news regarding Russia and Robert Mueller's investigation...we've learned that Facebook actually was used by the Russians for spreading fake news and stories to hurt Hillary and help Trump. We learned that the federal government on Friday told election officials in 21 states that hackers targeted their systems before last year's presidential election...

And we learned that A Group of Experts Wrote a Book About Donald Trump’s Mental Health—and the Controversy Has Just Begun


Due October 3, 2017

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There will not be a book published this fall more urgent, important, or controversial than The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump the work of 27 psychiatrists, psychologists and mental health experts to assess President Trump’s mental health. They had come together last March at a conference at Yale University to wrestle with two questions. One was on countless minds across the country: “What’s wrong with him?” The second was directed to their own code of ethics: “Does Professional Responsibility Include a Duty to Warn” if they conclude the president to be dangerously unfit?

In the grand scheme of things, Trump could prolly have gotten away with what he said Fri night if he hadn't referred to the player's mothers as bitches...see, that's what calling somebody a son of a bitch means. That's offensive on many levels but pro athletes, particularly black pro athletes generally really love their mothers so if you wanted to get a group of players of any sports pissed off, start referring to their mothers.

I particularly like Teresa Kaepernick's (Colin's adopted mother) response...

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Teresa Kaepernick‏
@B4IleaveU
replying to @JamilSmith
Guess that makes me a proud bitch!
8:46 PM - 22 Sep 2017

Oh, yeah, the "left's demands"?, pretty sure they were on fine display all over America today...lotta kneeling people–even in the game played in London–I wonder what Londoners think about all of this bullshyte?


Jacksonville Jaguars players kneel during the US anthem before a match in London

Oh, isn't that cute? They call it a "match"  8)

In case you are wondering, from BBC:
Trump NFL row: Defiance after US president urges boycott
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6443 on: September 24, 2017, 10:22:51 PM »

The anthem is our time to show the country's unity and support of each other.

Look around you Alan...there is very little unity and support of each other...there's a lot of division and disunity and a disproportionate amount of that disunity is as a direct result of Trump's words. He's the one being insensitive and racially divisive...we won't heal as a country until we get rid of him...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6444 on: September 24, 2017, 10:25:36 PM »

Trump Invites Russian National Basketball Team to White House



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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—One day after rescinding his invitation to the Golden State Warriors, Donald J. Trump invited the entire Russian national basketball team to celebrate with him at the White House.

Trump said that he looked forward to welcoming the Russian team, calling them “much, much better basketball players than those Golden State losers.”

When reporters pointed out that the Russians had won only a bronze in the 2012 Olympics and failed to qualify for the 2016 event, Trump was dismissive, calling the Olympics “rigged.”

“You ask anyone who knows, Steph Curry is nowhere near as good as Vladimir Ivlev,” Trump said.

But Trump’s plan to replace the Warriors with the Russians hit a snag just hours after he issued the invitation, when the Russian team released an official statement declining the offer.

“We feel that appearing with Donald Trump at this time would be bad for our brand,” the Russians’ statement read.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6445 on: September 24, 2017, 10:41:41 PM »

Remember this? I guess Trump still does...he always carries a grudge.

Donald Trump Fought the NFL Once Before. He Got Crushed.


In this Aug. 2, 1985, file photo, Donald Trump, right, New York real estate
magnates Stephen Ross, left, and USFL Commissioner Harry L. Usher, center,
participate in a news conference in New York to discuss the agreement they have
reached in principle to merge the Houston Gamblers and New Jersey Generals
football franchises. The New Jersey Generals have been largely forgotten, but
Trump’s ownership of the team was formative in his evolution as a public figure
and peerless self-publicist. With money and swagger, he led a shaky and relatively
low-budget spring football league, the USFL, into a showdown with the NFL.


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President Donald Trump set off a firestorm last Friday when he urged NFL owners to fire players who used the national anthem as an opportunity for protest. He doubled down this morning, suggesting a boycot of the NFL. Team owners have been quick to line up against Trump and support their players.

This isn't the first time Trump has picked a fight with the NFL. And last time around, he lost spectacularly.

Trump’s football adventure began in 1984, when he bought the New Jersey Generals, part of the then-new United States Football League. The USFL, as chronicled in an excellent installment of ESPN’s 30 for 30 series, was envisioned by founder David Dixon as a complement to the National Football League that would play in the spring, leaving fall to the NFL. For its first three years, the strategy seemed successful.

But it wasn't enough for Trump. He pushed hard to shift the USFL to a fall schedule, where the USFL – with less talent and less public awareness – would go head-to-head with the bigger league.

The decision to switch to fall play immediately crippled several USFL teams, who wouldn’t be able to compete directly with local NFL teams. The league even turned down a lifeline in the form of lucrative TV offers to broadcast spring games.

But Trump’s plan was typically audacious and risky. Rather than organically grow a new league, he hoped to force an immediate merger with the NFL, which would provide huge returns for surviving USFL team owners. That goal hinged in part on an antitrust lawsuit alleging the NFL was an unlawful monopoly.

But things didn’t go Trump’s way. While the USFL technically won the antitrust case, the jury concluded mismanagement was mostly at fault for its problems. There was no merger and no buyouts. By 1986, the USFL was finished.

Trump’s current beef with the NFL has little direct parallel with his USFL days, and most current NFL owners weren’t around back then. But Trump is more than able to hold a grudge, so you can bet the episode is on his mind.Football fans should remember it, too — because if it weren't for Donald Trump, we might have pro ball year-round.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6446 on: September 24, 2017, 10:46:58 PM »

Well, what do you expect of the Liar–in–Chief?

Trump's Mostly False claim that NFL ratings are 'way down'

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Trump said "NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country."

Ratings were down 8 percent in 2016, but experts said the drop was modest and in line with general ratings for the sports industry. The NFL remains the most watched televised sports event in the United States.

Ratings in 2017 so far suggest a similar year-on-year drop, but experts say it’s too early to tell, and external factors like Hurricane Irma, which coincided with the season’s first week, may help explain the drop.

NFL game attendance dropped slightly from 2016 to 2017, and rose from 2015 to 2016.

As for political motivation, there’s little evidence to suggest people are boycotting the NFL. Most of the professional sports franchises are dealing with declines in popularity.

We rate this claim Mostly False.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6447 on: September 24, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Well, what do you expect of the Liar–in–Chief?

Trump's Mostly False claim that NFL ratings are 'way down'



Ratings are down 16% over two years.  How's that false? It's a lot.   The owners must be pulling their hair out wishing this whole issue would just go away.

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« Reply #6448 on: September 24, 2017, 11:45:24 PM »

Look around you Alan...there is very little unity and support of each other...there's a lot of division and disunity and a disproportionate amount of that disunity is as a direct result of Trump's words. He's the one being insensitive and racially divisive...we won't heal as a country until we get rid of him...
Well Obama said when this thing started while he was president,  that ballplayers who disrespect the anthem hurt lot of Americans when they do that.   So players ought to show a little respect for others.

I disagree this is racial.   Trump champions those many people who feel a lot of groups spit on America or see the country as being anti American.   So his tweets speak for these people.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6449 on: September 25, 2017, 02:38:59 AM »

Ratings are down 16% over two years.  How's that false?

Well, what you just claimed isn't in the article is it?  8)

There was an 8% drop in 2016 over 2015 ratings but remember what else was going on last year? That little thing called an election...what the experts said was that an 8% drop was in line with other pro sports' TV decline and that "NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN" isn't true. BTW, the article said this regarding game attendance:

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Trump might be referring to 2016, a year when the NFL saw a significant drop in viewership, although average game attendance increased by 3 percent from 2015 to 2016.

But none of that really matters...instead of doing or saying things to bring America together in the wake of 3 hurricanes, racial strife and serious international issues, the big orange dummy starts a war with the NFL...to what end?

Oh look, shiny, SHINY...Facebook and Russians, it's a HOAX!!!

(don't forget that Trump is an expert at carrying a grudge about that whole USFL slap down–and the courts awarded him a whole single dollar)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6450 on: September 25, 2017, 02:49:35 AM »

Trump is just giving Lefties a dose of their own medicine.  Half of America is beginning to get annoyed from being labeled racist.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6451 on: September 25, 2017, 02:59:13 AM »

I disagree this is racial.   Trump champions those many people who feel a lot of groups spit on America or see the country as being anti American.   So his tweets speak for these people.

Of course this is racial...look where Trump brought this up...in Alabama in a crowd of his core supporters which are, well really, REALLY white, right? And all those people who dislike other people pointing out racial injustice and say that it's anti-American don't understand what it actually means to be an American...So, Trump's Tweets are designed to be divisive, contain clear and obvious dog whistles and stir up trouble rather than trying to calm the nation.

Show me what Trump has done to help resolve racial hostilities? "Fire the sons of bitches" is designed to help how? He knew what he was doing and he was enjoying the trouble it was stirring at that rally...

#MAGA or #MAWA? If you are non-white, the odds are it means pretty much the same.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6452 on: September 25, 2017, 03:03:27 AM »

Half of America is beginning to get annoyed from being labeled racist.

Then maybe that half might want to learn how to talk and behave in ways that don't come off as racist to the other half of the country...
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« Reply #6453 on: September 25, 2017, 06:04:34 AM »

It's about patriotism not racism.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6454 on: September 25, 2017, 06:29:23 AM »

Why is the national anthem played before sporting events in the United States?

I have often wondered about that myself.  Do other countries play their anthem's before games?

Evidently, here it started with Baseball and a way to get the crowd excited during a boring championship game during a 7th inning stretch.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6455 on: September 25, 2017, 09:40:48 AM »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41384053

What the BBC has to say about racism, the NFL and Trump.
A little distance often adds perspective.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6456 on: September 25, 2017, 03:12:00 PM »

Hum, last time I checked, people from Puerto Rico are American citizens, right?

While Trump Tweeted About Sports All Weekend, Puerto Rico Dealt With ‘Apocalyptic’ Hurricane Damage

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Trump tweeted about sports a total of 17 times between Saturday and Monday morning. He didn’t tweet once about Puerto Rico, where 3.5 million U.S. citizens live.

President Donald Trump spent his weekend tweeting about sports while U.S. citizens in Puerto Rico continued to deal with “apocalyptic” conditions in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.

Trump kicked off his sports tweets Saturday by saying he wouldn’t allow the NBA’s Golden State Warriors to visit the White House after player Stephen Curry said he didn’t want to go.

That afternoon, Trump started a tirade against athletes kneeling or sitting during the national anthem, a protest started last year by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who refused to stand during the anthem to protest oppression and police brutality against black people.

Trump tweeted about sports 17 times between Saturday and Monday morning. He didn’t tweet once about Puerto Rico, where citizens have been largely without power, water or means of communication since Maria hit Wednesday as a Category 5 hurricane.

Ricardo Rosselló, the governor of Puerto Rico, has called for a greater federal response to the disaster, which left at least 13 people dead. Polls show many mainland residents don’t realize that Puerto Ricans are Americans. In fact, 3.5 million U.S. citizens live there.

So, Trump can find the time while being President to tweet 17 times (I suspect it won't end there), Tweet about North Korea–where now NK thinks his Tweets amount to a declaration of war and, oh yeah, there was a couple of Tweets about Healthcare (dinging McCain again) and a proud Tweet about @FLOTUS going to Europe...

So, there ya go America...our President at work–picking a fight with black athletes because, well, it's fun for him! Never mind the citizens who will be without power potentially for weeks or months and who are trying to stay alive until help arrives...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6457 on: September 25, 2017, 03:54:38 PM »

If you have an issue with this, you should call your congressmen about it.

Oh, I have an issue with the way Puerto Rico is governed all right and while congress could certainly be held to blame for Puerto Rico's current financial plight, the fact is the president could make changes to the status using executive orders...

All of which is besides the point that Trump, instead of expressing any concern for American citizens suffering in Puerto Rico, is wasting his time fighting with pro sports athletes–particularly black athletes.

So, Joe, does this help America?

Is this a good use of presidential power?

Does this help race relations even a teeny tiny bit?

Or is Trump just playing a game because he thinks it's fun?
(with the side benefit of getting back at the NFL for ruining his USFL franchise)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6458 on: September 25, 2017, 04:15:17 PM »

Good, old days:

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« Reply #6459 on: September 25, 2017, 04:20:08 PM »

Good, old days:

That joke was below the belt.
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