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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6420 on: September 24, 2017, 09:58:53 am »

To quote Ford Maddox Ford, Sharyl Attkisson is an "unreliable narrator."

To be honest, I am not familiar with either of those, and her story does seem to be a little on the sensational side. 

However, I still find it disturbing that the man on ran on having the most open administration in history has done more secret spying on innocent Americans then any other administration in history. 
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« Reply #6421 on: September 24, 2017, 12:21:52 pm »

Which brings us to another interesting question: why are there so many black players in the NFL and NBA? Where is the left's demand for racial equality and proportional representation? They want women to reach 50% in everything, they want Oscars not to be "so white," but have no problem that certain sports are "so black"?

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« Reply #6422 on: September 24, 2017, 12:41:25 pm »

Or perhaps... it is American patriotism. Americans love their country. Europeans, apparently not so much. Otherwise, they wouldn't let them be so easily OD (occupied and decimated) in not so distant future.
YOu really think singing the national anthem at sporting events has anything to do with our country potentially being occupied by a foreign power? 
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« Reply #6423 on: September 24, 2017, 12:43:20 pm »

I think the NFL is just going to continue to loose more viewers and eventually it will hurt their bottom line if it has not already.
Football will disappear as more and more young people do not play the sport because of accumulated concussion damage.  The brain analysis of Aaron Hernandez was quite stark for someone who died at the age of 28.  All that football turned his brain into Swiss cheese.
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« Reply #6424 on: September 24, 2017, 12:44:45 pm »

Which brings us to another interesting question: why are there so many black players in the NFL and NBA? Where is the left's demand for racial equality and proportional representation? They want women to reach 50% in everything, they want Oscars not to be "so white," but have no problem that certain sports are "so black"?
I think you will soon see legal action at the college level where most major college sports programs have participation by African Americans at higher levels than it should be based on population percentage.
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« Reply #6425 on: September 24, 2017, 01:40:55 pm »

Nobody gives a damn about the patriotism or otherwise of NFL players - least of all Trump. It's just another diversion to distract attention from the uncomfortable facts about his lamentable performance in office.
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« Reply #6426 on: September 24, 2017, 01:56:13 pm »

Nobody gives a damn about the patriotism or otherwise of NFL players - least of all Trump. It's just another diversion to distract attention from the uncomfortable facts about his lamentable performance in office.
There was one NFL player who fit the definition of patriotic.  Pat Tillman, a starting defensive back on the Arizona team, joined the US Army after 9/11 and made it through Ranger training.  He was killed from friendly fire in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #6427 on: September 24, 2017, 02:14:17 pm »

Football will disappear as more and more young people do not play the sport because of accumulated concussion damage.  The brain analysis of Aaron Hernandez was quite stark for someone who died at the age of 28.  All that football turned his brain into Swiss cheese.

I completely agree.  I think in the long term, that will be football's demise.  It's only that this protest is kind of speeding up the process. 

Whatever side you are on, you don't tune into watching sports, or any type of entertainment, to continue the divisive arguments you have in your real life; you tune into escape.  So we kind of have a perfect storm, brain injuries combined with too much BS when people are looking for an escape. 

More interesting question, when/if football dies, what do we do with the left over stadiums? 
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« Reply #6428 on: September 24, 2017, 02:48:09 pm »

In partial answer's to Slobodan's concern about discrimination against white players in the NFL, it turns out that there are plenty of circumstances where discrimination is permitted. It's why, for example, it's ok for Hooters to not hire male waiters and why there are no male "Rockettes". I heard a recent podcast about it, but I cannot remember where.

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« Reply #6429 on: September 24, 2017, 03:02:32 pm »

"Trump performs pick and roil on world of sports"
Cancels the customary NFL championship team meeting at the White House for what he feels are players disrespect for the National Anthem, flag and country.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-performs-pick-and-roil-on-world-of-sports/article/2635401

Trump speaks for the millions of Americans who are tired of listening to ungrateful athletes complain and disrespect their country that has made them famous and wealthy multi-millionaires. Everyone has right to give their opinions just like the athletes. It's a two-way street. It's time we showed that there are opinions beside the ungrateful few.

Additionally, he's playing politics, of course, as the left rails against him and the other "deplorables" he champions with his strong position.  He's playing the "patriot" card to satisfy and expand his base because a lot of people, even those who didn't vote for him, are tired of rich athletes acting ungrateful.


What would happen, do you think, if suddenly lots of pro athletes starting kneeling during the anthem? Do you really think that the owners would "fire" their talent because Trump told them to? Do you think they care more about phoney TV patriotism than their own profits?

I've always thought that playing the anthem at the beginning of pro sports events is silly. Anthems should be reserved for use at important occasions.
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« Reply #6430 on: September 24, 2017, 03:43:00 pm »

More interesting question, when/if football dies, what do we do with the left over stadiums?
Most of the stadiums are large enough to accompany a full size soccer field.  Many of the top European clubs play pre-season matches in US football stadiums and the big clubs such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United sell out.
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« Reply #6431 on: September 24, 2017, 03:45:27 pm »


What would happen, do you think, if suddenly lots of pro athletes starting kneeling during the anthem? Do you really think that the owners would "fire" their talent because Trump told them to? Do you think they care more about phoney TV patriotism than their own profits?
Lots of kneeling took place today and several owners were in solidarity with their players

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I've always thought that playing the anthem at the beginning of pro sports events is silly. Anthems should be reserved for use at important occasions.
My point exactly!!
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« Reply #6432 on: September 24, 2017, 04:14:00 pm »

YOu really think singing the national anthem at sporting events has anything to do with our country potentially being occupied by a foreign power? 

Absolutely yes. Those kneeling and those supporting the SOBs (a.k.a. the left) I am sure would be more than happy if occupied by, say, a coalition of the happy socialists, e.g. Norway, Denmark, etc. ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6433 on: September 24, 2017, 04:18:01 pm »

... What would happen, do you think, if suddenly lots of pro athletes starting kneeling during the anthem? Do you really think that the owners would "fire" their talent because Trump told them to? Do you think they care more about phoney TV patriotism than their own profits?...

No because Trump told them so, but because it ultimately might hit their profits if the public starts balking at the idiotism. I don't watch sports anyway, so can't impact the decision.

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« Reply #6434 on: September 24, 2017, 04:21:17 pm »

Why is the national anthem played before sporting events in the United States?  What does patriotism have to do with watching football, basketball, or baseball games?  Why do teams wear American flag patches on uniforms?  Who really cares if a player stands or kneels?...

If it so doesn't matter, doesn' mean anything, doesn't symbolize anything, than why protest it? Obviously, those who protest understand perfectly well just how much it matters and means, and chose the moment precisely for its significance and impact.

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« Reply #6435 on: September 24, 2017, 04:27:42 pm »

In partial answer's to Slobodan's concern about discrimination against white players in the NFL...

You might have misunderstood me. I never said I see it as a discrimination. I am perfectly ok if up to 100% of players are black, if they are the best at it. I also ok if the Oscar is white occasionally. I have no problem with Google being staffed by up to 100% female programers, if they are the best at it.

Obviously from the above, I am actually against an artificial push to establish proportionality for proportionality sake, just as I would be against someone actually trying to "affirmative action" white players into the game. My point was the hypocrisy of the left, which complains only when it affects white males.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6436 on: September 24, 2017, 04:50:50 pm »

From today's walk around a small, quiet Midwest town in Indiana (no federal, state, or local holiday in sight):

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« Reply #6437 on: September 24, 2017, 06:05:21 pm »

The American Flag and national anthem are symbols of racism, says ESPN anchor. 

What's next, Picolo Petes and apple pie?

http://shark-tank.com/2017/09/14/american-flag-stands-for-racism-says-sports-tv-anchor/


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« Reply #6438 on: September 24, 2017, 08:38:29 pm »

Why is the national anthem played before sporting events in the United States?  What does patriotism have to do with watching football, basketball, or baseball games?  Why do teams wear American flag patches on uniforms?  Who really cares if a player stands or kneels?

I don't watch much American sports these days, preferring to watch European soccer.  the only time national anthems are played is when national teams play one another in World Cup or European Cup matches.  I've never heard national anthems played prior to club matches.  this is only an American anachronism.


European sports are definitely more sane.   Well,  at least until the fights break out and the soccer fans start killing each other.   

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« Reply #6439 on: September 24, 2017, 09:14:10 pm »

YOu really think singing the national anthem at sporting events has anything to do with our country potentially being occupied by a foreign power? 
Allegiance pledges and singing the national anthem are civic rituals.  Done in group settings on a regular basis,
 they remind and reinforce us that we all are members of the same nation state.  Regardless of whether we're black or white,  rich or poor,  male or female,  famous or not, or have specific complaints about our nation,  we acknowledge our allegiance with these rituals.   Refusing to engage in  the ritual is sensed as a threat to the unity and safety of the country.   Just like both teams stand in respect of the anthem and than fight with each other aftetwatds,  so too should team members reserve their complaints about the country until after the ritual of the anthem is over.
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