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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4540 on: July 31, 2017, 11:00:43 am »

I don't see how Trump is doing this just for our defense industry.    But if he is, that still doesn't mean my point is wrong. 

After WWII when the Soviets occupied Eastern Europe and threatened Western Europe, America through it's Marshall Plan helped Europe back on it's feet.

Yes, and secured access to a large market to sell stuff to. In fact, much of the help was in goods, so at cost price, not market value. Which is fine, everybody benefitted.

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We threw troops in there to hold the Communists back.  But over the years, Europe has gotten strong.  Then the Soviet Union collapsed freeing eastern Europe.  The Russians aren't going to attack.

I'm sure the countries bordering on the former Soviet Union, beg to differ.

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Certainly Europe's wealth can support an effective counter-force against them without America.

Sure, but we first had to cope with a financial crisis brought to us by the USA housing crisis and collapse of financial markets. That's why it was agreed to increase military expenditure to 2% of GDP over the course of 10 years, we're now in year 3. Besides, opinions can differ over what is an effective counter force. One can also differ over what's efficient, given the example of excessive cost of the USA defense.

But that's nothing new, it usually suffices to spend more in the USA, instead of more wisely. Health care is a good example, one on the most expensive systems with third rate life expectancies and still high mortality.

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We should go home but we're so use to being a super power that we don't know how to reverse course  even when it's OK to do that.  You're right that there are a lot on interests in America.  But that's not coming from Trump but from the usual forces in and out of government.  Actually, Trump is opposed to that "swamp" thinking.  That's opposite to what you're saying.  But you favor the old regime that pays for much of Europe's defense and Trump represents a threat to that.

Correction, Trump is a threat to the USA and the rest of the world. In 6 months time he has done more damage to the reputation of the USA as an friendly partner nation to the international community than any president before him. The hostile attitude will bear fruit, but it will be sour grapes mostly. Internally he is only replacing things with his own swamp, and it smells even worse.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4541 on: July 31, 2017, 11:15:20 am »

Trump bump: Court fights draw big money into attorney general races
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-attorneys-general-idUSKBN1AG17K

QUOTE  July 31, 2017 / 1:05 PM: "Like many Democratic state attorneys general, Herring has made legal challenges to the agenda of President Donald Trump a priority. He joined with attorneys general in other states to challenge Trump's executive order banning travel to the United States from six predominately Muslim countries and to defend former President Barack Obama's Clean Power Plan, which aims to slash carbon emissions.

Those fights, and the prospect of others, are drawing record amounts of campaign contributions into attorney general races in a number of states, according to campaign finance records and more than a dozen interviews with attorneys general, challengers, political operatives and donors.

Attorneys general, who as the top elected legal officers in each state are charged with defending state agencies from lawsuits as well as initiating litigation on their own, have always helped shape national politics. "



So attorneys will benefit, effectively blocking ill conceived plans and resulting in inaction, and solvable issues will remain unsolved unless a more bipartisan approach will be pursued (which is unlikely with Trump and Bannon around, thus leading to no Democratic support and ever dwindling Republican support). Trump has already isolated himself from his Republican support in government and it will only get worse when Republican officials start feeling the pressure from their support base (electorate and sponsors).

The only way out is by starting a war, which in the past used to close the ranks.

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Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4542 on: July 31, 2017, 01:22:48 pm »

I'm sure the countries bordering on the former Soviet Union, beg to differ.
like Serbia bombed into its borders change by NATO... right ?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4543 on: July 31, 2017, 01:28:03 pm »

This is quite a good read:

https://theconversation.com/why-trump-must-stop-being-trump-to-survive-81756

It suggests that it's all quite likely to end with impeachment under the "crazy clause" as the Russians decide to get rid of the orange-faced madman via their stockpile of kompromat in exchange for lifting all those American sanctions which they now realize Trump can't do anything about, though they'd put him in place in the expectation that he would. I guess VP Michael "50" Pence could get taken down in the ruckus so it's on to President Ryan, presumably.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4544 on: July 31, 2017, 01:32:13 pm »

Serbia was an example where Europe should have done something first before Americans  stepped in.   After all,  it's in their back yard not the US's.

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« Reply #4545 on: July 31, 2017, 01:44:49 pm »

Serbia was an example where Europe should have done something first before Americans  stepped in.   After all,  it's in their back yard not the US's.

it was an example who changed the internationally recognized borders first in Europe  ;D ... through the use of military power...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4546 on: July 31, 2017, 02:35:33 pm »

it was an example who changed the internationally recognized borders first in Europe  ;D ... through the use of military power...


Those borders have been altered by military powers for centuries, and nothing's about to change the progression of ownerships.

Let's expand that: all borders are being changed over time. The "Wall" didn't do much for Hadrian; the Chinese have managed to turn theirs into a prime tourist attraction, and the real estate/tourism angle is perhaps what excites Trumpie and the Mexican wet dream. So yeah, maybe Mexico will pay for it, by buying tickets to see it during vacations across it.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4547 on: July 31, 2017, 02:44:47 pm »

like Serbia bombed into its borders change by NATO... right ?

I was actually thinking of Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine (Crimea is already illegally confiscated), Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia. And further away from the European union, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, North Korea, and China and the USA, although the latter two should be able to defend themselves.


And in the mean time ...

VP Pence, in the Baltics, voices support for mutual defense in NATO
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pence-estonia-idUSKBN1AG1G0

QUOTE July 31, 2017 / 2:34 PM   "TALLINN (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Mike Pence on Monday assured the Baltic states of U.S. support if they faced aggression from Russia, telling them that Washington firmly backs NATO's doctrine of collective defense.

Pence's comments to the presidents of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, ahead of Russian war games on their doorstep, were clearly intended to reassure following Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and U.S. President Donald Trump's early lukewarm support for NATO.
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Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4548 on: July 31, 2017, 02:46:18 pm »

The gong show continues.
The Mooch is OUT! ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40782299
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4549 on: July 31, 2017, 02:55:50 pm »

The gong show continues.
The Mooch is OUT! ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40782299

Apparently, happened minutes ago.

Trump removes Scaramucci as communications director: NYT
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-scaramucci-idUSKBN1AG299?il=0

Full QUOTE  July 31, 2017 / 8:47 PM "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his job as communications director, the New York Times reported on Monday, citing three unidentified people close to the decision.

News of Scaramucci's removal came hours after Trump swore in a new chief of staff, retired General John Kelly. Politico reported the dismissal came at Kelly's request, citing two unidentified White House officials. "


I'm sure this article will be updated as more details are fact checked. Note the "two unidentified White House officials", Kelly is not fully  'deployed' apparently.

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. Reuters started a new article called:
Trump fires communications chief Scaramucci in new White House upheaval
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKBN1AG1OV?il=0

QUOTE  July 31, 2017 / 4:16 PM  "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump fired his communications director, Anthony Scaramucci, on Monday over an obscene tirade, just over a week after naming him to the job, sources familiar with the decision said, in the latest staff upheaval to hit the Republican's six-month-old administration.

Scaramucci's departure follows one of the rockiest weeks of Trump's presidency in which a major Republican effort to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system failed in Congress and both his spokesman and previous chief of staff left their jobs as White House infighting burst into the open. [...]"
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4550 on: July 31, 2017, 03:34:50 pm »



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Donald J. Trump  ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Highest Stock Market EVER, best economic numbers in years, unemployment lowest in 17 years, wages raising, border secure, S.C.: No WH chaos!
7:28 AM - Jul 31, 2017

'No WH chaos!': Trump praises John Kelly for avoiding controversy at the new chief of staff's swearing-in ceremony

Trump Removes Anthony Scaramucci From Communications Director Role

Even President Trump's Favorite Poll Shows a Record Low Approval

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Now, even Rasmussen is showing Trump doing poorly.

The Rasmussen Reports daily presidential tracking poll for July 31 shows Trump with a record low approval rating for their poll, the latest to show support for the president is slipping.

Just 39% of likely U.S. voters approve of Trump's performance as President according to the Rasmussen tracking poll released July 31, while 26% strongly approve, and 61% disapprove. This is the first time Trump's approval rating has ever fallen below 40% in Rasmussen. The poll of 1,500 likely voters had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.



Please remain calm...everything is under control–really!

There is no chaos, this is the way Donald Trump like to run his business...

And other than 6 bankruptcies and numerous law suits and liens by unpaid workers, Trump has been really, fabulously successful in his business pursuits...so, SNAFU–get used to it. This will go on until the people wake up and do something about this unfortunate circumstance.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4551 on: July 31, 2017, 04:02:56 pm »

You're being so self-centered as most Europeans are.  You think we are increasing our spending only to defend Europe.  You know, there are other places in the world we care about enough to help and defend.   So our budget has to pay for a larger Navy for example to cover the Pacific as well as the Mediterranean and Atlantic and northern seas. 

Of course, we could spend our money more efficiently if you would defend yourselves.  Don't you have any pride, man?  You remind me of the scared little boy in the schoolyard who runs behind his mother's skirt when he gets frightened by the other boys.  Grow up and defend yourself.

What are you talking about?

The USA outspends the rest of the world by a wide margin on defence. How much MORE does it need to spend for you to feel safe? Isn't it risky giving the Pentagon carte blanche. Are they delivering?

The USA has the highest incarceration rate of any country, so you'd think that all your bad guys would be in jail by now and that your streets would be as safe as could be, but people are still running around advocating gun ownership for self-protection because everyone is so afraid. That doesn't add up to me. What's going wrong?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4552 on: July 31, 2017, 04:27:25 pm »

An opinion piece I found about Trump's presidency.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4553 on: July 31, 2017, 04:42:00 pm »

What are you talking about?

The USA outspends the rest of the world by a wide margin on defence. How much MORE does it need to spend for you to feel safe? Isn't it risky giving the Pentagon carte blanche. Are they delivering?

The USA has the highest incarceration rate of any country, so you'd think that all your bad guys would be in jail by now and that your streets would be as safe as could be, but people are still running around advocating gun ownership for self-protection because everyone is so afraid. That doesn't add up to me. What's going wrong?

The last time I looked, the US was spending between three and four times as much on its military as the next highest spender, China, and nearly 9 times as much as Russia. But we can't afford health care. What a joke!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4554 on: July 31, 2017, 05:05:21 pm »

Every organization needs a hatchet man.  Scarramucci is Trump's.  They're both from Queens, like to rattle people and take no prisoners.  A perfect match.

Really? And what do you say now?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4555 on: July 31, 2017, 07:07:22 pm »

Really? And what do you say now?
Apparently,  Kelly is the hatchet man.   Trump just put him in charge.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4556 on: July 31, 2017, 07:19:10 pm »

The "Wall" didn't do much for Hadrian; the Chinese have managed to turn theirs into a prime tourist attraction, and the real estate/tourism angle is perhaps what excites Trumpie and the Mexican wet dream. So yeah, maybe Mexico will pay for it, by buying tickets to see it during vacations across it.

My wife and I decided back in January that the most appropriate venue to get an appropriate perspective on the Trump inauguration was south of the border, so while the grounds of the U.S. Capitol Building were being prepared for The Blessed Event, we headed down to the city of San Miguel de Allende in the Mexican state of Guanajuato.

The Sanmiguelenses seemed rather blasé about the inauguration of el señor Locowell, mostly—however one 20-something restaurant waiter, who told us he had spent six months as a construction worker in Texas so he could earn enough to complete his degree at a Mexican university (without a work visa, I suspect, but I didn't ask), was excited about "the Wall."  And quite pleasantly so.  "I hope your Congress gives him the money," he told us.  "He is going to need a lot of Mexican workers to build it."

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4557 on: July 31, 2017, 09:06:06 pm »

Apparently,  Kelly is the hatchet man.   Trump just put him in charge.

I was going to take a vacation, but reading the latest headlines is more exciting than photographing grizzlies. 
Just a week ago, Pro-Trump media celebrated Spicer's departure and Scaramucci's appointment, and Newt Gingrich said that Trump doesn't like to fire people.
It takes at least one month to learn the job. Trump just eliminated 3 weeks of WH communication director's training time.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/21/media/pro-trump-media-sean-spicer-scaramucci/index.html
 
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"I think Donald Trump doesn't like to fire people, period," said the former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Trump adviser and friend.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-firing-people-jeff-sessions-contrast/index.html
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4558 on: August 01, 2017, 06:40:48 am »

An opinion piece I found about Trump's presidency.

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  the gong show inside a dumpster fire on a train wreck that is the Trump presidency

I like it!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4559 on: August 01, 2017, 08:00:55 am »

Trump dictated misleading statement on son's meeting with Russian: Washington Post
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-meeting-idUSKBN1AH2QE

QUOTE  August 1, 2017 / 3:09 AM  "August 1, 2017 / 3:09 AM / 10 hours ago
Trump dictated misleading statement on son's meeting with Russian: Washington Post

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FILE PHOTO: Then U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (R) welcomes his son Donald Trump Jr. to the stage at one of the New England Council's "Politics and Eggs' breakfasts in Manchester, New Hampshire November 11, 2015.Brian Snyder/Files - RTX3BSRG

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump dictated a statement, later shown to be misleading, in which his son Donald Trump Jr. said a meeting he had with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 was not related to his father's presidential campaign, the Washington Post reported on Monday.

Trump Jr. released emails earlier in July that showed he eagerly agreed last year to meet a woman he was told was a Russian government lawyer who might have damaging information about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton as part of Moscow's official support for his father. The New York Times was first to report the meeting.

The Washington Post said Trump advisers discussed the new disclosure and agreed that Trump Jr. should issue a truthful account of the episode so that it "couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged."

The president, who was flying home from Germany on July 8, changed the plan and "personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said he and the Russian lawyer had 'primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children,'" the Post said, citing unnamed people with knowledge of the deliberations.

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David Sklansky, a professor of criminal law at Stanford Law School, said that if Trump, as reported by the Post, helped craft a misleading public statement about the meeting, he may have bolstered a potential obstruction of justice case against himself.

To build a criminal obstruction of justice case, federal law requires prosecutors to show that a person acted with "corrupt" intent. A misleading public statement could be used as evidence of corrupt intent, Sklansky said.

"Lying usually isn't a crime," he said. But "it could be relevant in determining whether something else the president did, like firing (former FBI Director James) Comey, was done corruptly." "



And so the saga continues ...

Cheers,
Bart
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