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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4180 on: July 11, 2017, 12:03:13 am »

Uh oh...Donny Jr better hire an attorney (oh, he has Trump Jr. hires lawyer for Russia probes)

Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign


Donald Trump Jr. spoke at a rally in May in Bozeman, Mont. Credit William Campbell/Corbis, via Getty Images


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WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting. In a statement on Sunday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he was interested in receiving damaging information about Mrs. Clinton, but gave no indication that he thought the lawyer might have been a Kremlin proxy.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.

Wonder what was really talked about in that meeting...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4181 on: July 11, 2017, 02:03:12 pm »

So, it seems there actually is some there there....

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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
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Donny Jr replied:

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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don

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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:40 PM
To: Donald Trump J
Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential
Hi Don
Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info - you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family Rob Goldstone

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On Jun 6, 2016, at 15:03, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Rob could we speak now?
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From: Rob Goldstone
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Donald Trump Jr.
Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Let me track him down in Moscow
What number he could call?

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On Jun 6, 2016, at 15:38, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
My cell [REDACTED] thanks
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On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Ok he's on stage in Moscow but should be off within 20 Minutes so I am sure can call Rob

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On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Don
Hope all is well
Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you are aware of the meeting - and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?
I assume it would be at your office.
Best
Rob Goldstone

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On Jun 6, 2016, at 16:38, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Rob thanks for the help.
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On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up.
D

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On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Perfect won't sit in on the meeting, but will bring them at 3pm and introduce you etc.
I will send the names of the two people meeting with you for security when I have them later today.
best
Rob

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On Jun 7, 2016, at 18:14, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me, 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

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From: Rob Goldstone
Sent: Wednesday June 08, 2016 10:34 AM
To: Donald Trump Jr.
Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Good morning
Would it be possible to move tomorrow meeting to 4pm as the Russian attorney is in court until 3 i was just informed.
Best
Rob

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On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:15, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Yes Rob I could do that unless they wanted to do 3 today instead... just let me know and ill lock it in either way.
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From: Rob Goldstone
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Donald Trump Jr.
Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

They can't do today as she hasn't landed yet from Moscow 4pm is great tomorrow.
Best
Rob

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From: Donald Trump Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort
Subject: FW: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Meeting got moved to 4 tomorrow at my offices.
Best,
Don

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Comment posted by Donald Trump Jr. on Twitter on July 11, 2017
To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails with Rob Goldstone about the meeting on June 9, 2016. The first email on June 3, 2016 was from Rob, who was relating a request from Emin, a person I knew from the 2013 Ms. Universe Pageant near Moscow. Emin and his father have a very highly respected company in Moscow. The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton I thought was Political Opposition Research. I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn't work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet. I decided to take the meeting. The woman, as she has said publicly, was not a government official. And, as we have said, she had no information to provide and wanted to talk about adoption policy and the Magnitsky Act. To put this in context, this occurred before the current Russian fever was in vogue. As Rob Goldstone said just today in the press, the entire meeting was “the most inane nonsense l ever heard. And I was actually agitated by it.”

So, Donny Jr. got this: "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first."


And Donny Jr says: "Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

Additional info from the #FailingNYTimes

Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4182 on: July 11, 2017, 02:55:38 pm »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4183 on: July 11, 2017, 03:16:28 pm »

It seems sleazy.   But its not illegal.  The democrats got a dossier from a British spy who also got info from Russian spies.   Worse.   But not illegal.   

What's interesting is the Russians were probably playing both sides of the street collecting dirt on both candidates to use against either of them regardless of who won.   The Russians had Hillary's private emails with all the corruption to use against her.   Don't know what they have on Trump.   Maybe he wasn't so fastidious as he said he would be in that Moscow hotel.    :)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4184 on: July 11, 2017, 04:34:21 pm »

the Russians were
we are amused at the circus  ;D

we have an expression "пожар в публичном доме" ~= a fire in a brothel ... very applicable
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4185 on: July 12, 2017, 03:08:40 am »

I'm surprised at this Four Corners episode has not not been picked up by major broadcasters. It may be blocked overseas.
Trumps business dealings in Indonesia
Very bad,
 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4186 on: July 12, 2017, 07:49:58 am »

I'm surprised at this Four Corners episode has not not been picked up by major broadcasters. It may be blocked overseas.
Trumps business dealings in Indonesia
Very bad,
 
That show appears to be another "hit" job for Trump haters to watch and advertisers to spend their money on ads.  Nothing new.  They argue in the show that he somehow works with Islamists in his business.  Then people like you on the other hand call him a bigot for instituting the Travel Ban against 6 Muslim countries. Which is it?  It seems you want it both ways. 

The main point is that the people who elected him knew that he is a successful businessman who develops properties around the world including Indonesia.  That's why they voted for him.  They wanted him to bring his life-time business experience to the US government to help make our economy better, produce more jobs and make trade fairer for our country.  If he succeeds, he'll get re-elected.  If he fails, then he'll be booted.  Everything else is just conversation. 


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4187 on: July 12, 2017, 03:50:52 pm »

Andy Serkis Becomes Gollum To Read Trump's Tweets (at approx. 3m43s into the interview):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mWOoj68qo

It does sound much better coming from a professional actor.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4188 on: July 12, 2017, 04:20:18 pm »

That show appears to be another "hit" job for Trump haters to watch and advertisers to spend their money on ads.  Nothing new.  They argue in the show that he somehow works with Islamists in his business.

So, reporting actual facts is a "hit job" for Trump haters? If the news is bad news, it's a hit job or fake news?

You do realize this report came from Australia not the USA. The ABC that referred to in the article is the Australian Broadcasting Commission (the ABC) not the USA based ABC. So, the article in question is about an area in the Australian region that has suddenly become much more important to Australia since the USA dropped the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) leaving Australia and China struggling to deal with a region that has a great deal of turmoil–particularly in Indonesia since it has the largest concentration of Muslims of any country in the world. So, yes, if the USA president getting involved in Indonesian business and being cosy with corrupt officials, yes, Australia is bound to be concerned...

As far as the Speaker of the House of Indonesia, if that is Setya Novanto then he's a sleaze-ball of the highest order–just the kind of people Trump likes to deal with. Indonesia's parliament reappoints scandal-hit speaker

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JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia's parliament on Wednesday reappointed Setya Novanto as its speaker, reinstating him despite a scandal last year when he was accused of trying to extort $1.8 billion of shares from the local unit of U.S. mining giant Freeport McMoran Inc.

Novanto resigned as speaker in December after an inquiry was launched when the head of Freeport Indonesia Maroef Sjamsoeddin told parliament's ethics panel he secretly recorded a meeting with Novanto and alleged the speaker asked for a stake of 20 percent in the company.

Novanto denied the allegations.


The main point is that the people who elected him knew that he is a successful businessman who develops properties around the world including Indonesia.  That's why they voted for him.  They wanted him to bring his life-time business experience to the US government to help make our economy better, produce more jobs and make trade fairer for our country.

Yeah, ya know that's what the Trump Minions™ seem to believe but in fact Trump is not really a successful businessman, he's a successful crooked businessman who screws the little guy is willing to declare bankruptcy when the situations turn toxic yet still seems to come out smelling like a rose. 6 times he had companies go under...Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times? Is that a mark of a successful businessman or a crook?

Heck, even Trump's hotel in DC just down the road from the White House has liens against it...Trump’s DC Hotel Tagged With $5 Million in Unpaid Worker Liens

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Donald Trump’s new Washington hotel, located just blocks from the White House, owes electricians, wood workers and a plumbing and heating business more than $5 million for unpaid labor, according to liens filed against the property with the District of Columbia.

The 263-room hotel, located on the historic site of the city’s former main post office, opened in October following a $212 million renovation of the 1899 structure. The liens were filed in November and December, according to public records.

Trump has acknowledged not always paying all his bills, saying it’s often a negotiating tactic when work is subpar. His companies have been sued numerous times over unpaid work. Among them were landscapers at Riverside South Park in Manhattan, who sued in 2001 seeking $111,000. Contractors at Trump Park Avenue sued in 2003 seeking $206,000. And in 2010 a painter in Chicago sued a Trump entity developing a high-rise claiming to be owed more than $4 million.

A year ago this USA Today article outlines how often Trump has been sued...Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee

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Donald Trump is a fighter, famous for legal skirmishes over everything from his golf courses to his tax bills to Trump University. But until now, it hasn’t been clear precisely how litigious he is and what that might portend for a Trump presidency.

An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits.

The sheer volume of lawsuits is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. No candidate of a major party has had anything approaching the number of Trump’s courtroom entanglements.

Just since he announced his candidacy a year ago, at least 70 new cases have been filed, about evenly divided between lawsuits filed by him and his companies and those filed against them. And the records review found at least 50 civil lawsuits remain open even as he moves toward claiming the nomination at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in seven weeks. On Tuesday, court documents were released in one of the most dramatic current cases, filed in California by former students accusing Trump University of fraudulent and misleading behavior.

The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn’t hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.

As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times.



Heck, he's continued his hit streak since being sworn in: Here's What You Need to Know About Donald Trump's Lawsuits
He's been sued more than 100 times since his inauguration.


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• President Trump has been sued at least 135 times since taking office.

• The most recent lawsuit was filed by Twitter users blocked by the president.

• Many of the lawsuits pertain to his presidency, with cases regarding the Emoluments Clause, the travel bans, and his executive order threatening sanctuary cities.

• Others, including the litigation over Trump University and a libel suit brought by a former contestant on The Apprentice, stem from Trump's behavior as a private citizen before taking office.

Don't let anyone tell you the Trump administration isn't setting records. The president has been sued more than 100 times in federal court since his inauguration.

This week, a group of Twitter users filed a lawsuit against the president after he blocked them on the social media platform. The legal complaint is just the most recent in a dizzying array of lawsuits that have been brought against the president since he took office on January 20, 2017.

While it's not uncommon for a president to accumulate some lawsuits over the course of his administration, what is happening now is unlike anything we've seen in recent history. According to the Boston Globe, by May 5, President Trump had been sued a remarkable 134 times in federal court since his inauguration.

To put things in perspective, Obama had acquired 26 suits against him at that point in his presidency per the Globe; George W. Bush, seven.

So...is this the sign of a successful businessman that will bring his life-time business experience to the US government to help make our economy better, produce more jobs and make trade fairer for our country.

If you think Trump is an example of a successful businessman you must be hanging around with a lot of slime dogs...Trump is a perfect example of everything wrong about capitalism in America today. And no, Australia doesn't want his sort of business practices in their region of the world. Pretty sure they aren't trying to get click-bait ad revenue...at least not down under :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4189 on: July 12, 2017, 04:54:32 pm »

So, reporting actual facts is a "hit job" for Trump haters? If the news is bad news, it's a hit job or fake news?

You do realize this report came from Australia not the USA. The ABC that referred to in the article is the Australian Broadcasting Commission (the ABC) not the USA based ABC. So, the article in question is about an area in the Australian region that has suddenly become much more important to Australia since the USA dropped the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) leaving Australia and China struggling to deal with a region that has a great deal of turmoil–particularly in Indonesia since it has the largest concentration of Muslims of any country in the world. So, yes, if the USA president getting involved in Indonesian business and being cosy with corrupt officials, yes, Australia is bound to be concerned...

As far as the Speaker of the House of Indonesia, if that is Setya Novanto then he's a sleaze-ball of the highest order–just the kind of people Trump likes to deal with. Indonesia's parliament reappoints scandal-hit speaker


Yeah, ya know that's what the Trump Minions™ seem to believe but in fact Trump is not really a successful businessman, he's a successful crooked businessman who screws the little guy is willing to declare bankruptcy when the situations turn toxic yet still seems to come out smelling like a rose. 6 times he had companies go under...Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times? Is that a mark of a successful businessman or a crook?

Heck, even Trump's hotel in DC just down the road from the White House has liens against it...Trump’s DC Hotel Tagged With $5 Million in Unpaid Worker Liens

A year ago this USA Today article outlines how often Trump has been sued...Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee

Heck, he's continued his hit streak since being sworn in: Here's What You Need to Know About Donald Trump's Lawsuits
He's been sued more than 100 times since his inauguration.


So...is this the sign of a successful businessman that will bring his life-time business experience to the US government to help make our economy better, produce more jobs and make trade fairer for our country.

If you think Trump is an example of a successful businessman you must be hanging around with a lot of slime dogs...Trump is a perfect example of everything wrong about capitalism in America today. And no, Australia doesn't want his sort of business practices in their region of the world. Pretty sure they aren't trying to get click-bait ad revenue...at least not down under :~)

This is why it's a "hit job".   3500 law cases was the headline number. But if you drill down, you get this: "Close to half the court cases — about 1,600 — involved lawsuits against gamblers who had credit at Trump-connected casinos and failed to pay their debts. About 100 additional disputes centered on other issues at the casinos. Trump and his enterprises have been named in almost 700 personal-injury claims and about 165 court disputes with government agencies." Trump owned gambling casinos in Atlantic City and elsewhere. 

Also you get this: "Among those cases with a clear resolution, Trump's side was the apparent victor in 451 and the loser in 38". So out of 500 cases that were resolved he won 95% of them, not mentioned in the headline.

I'm not saying Trump isn't litigious, he is.  But the article tries to create the impression that there were 3500 suits all because he didn't pay his bills.  Also, many of his businesses are ones where they just use his name but he doesn't own or manage the property.  It's not clear if the any of the lawsuits include those properties as well. 

Look, I worked for NYC real estate owners and developers and they're all the same - cheap and litigious. And rich.   I've gotten burned by them too and would probably not work for Trump.  But a bunch a lawsuits, 95% of which he won that were settled does not make him a bad businessman, but rather a good one.  95% is a good win number.  So his being President with that experience could be an advantage for America. If he doesn't do for America what he promised, your can fire him in 2020. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4190 on: July 12, 2017, 07:49:48 pm »

This is why it's a "hit job".

So anything you think is critical of Trump is a "hit job"? I mean the first article by an Australian media outlet was a hit job and now the USA Today is a hit job...what about the article about how often he's been involved with bankruptcies, hit job?

So, anything that says nice things is good journalism, anything that write actual stories about actual facts that show Trump is a bad light is a hit job...do I have that right?

So, what about these recent stories, good journalism or hit job/fake news?

'Paralyzed' by chaos at home, Trump sets off for Paris

Trump's FBI pick vows independence, says Russia probe no 'witch hunt'

Trump: I'll be 'very angry' if the GOP health care bill fails

Trump unloads on Hillary over double standard, amid reports Dems also got foreign help

Inside Trump's West Wing: Fear, Recriminations, and No More “Conspiracy Bullshit”

Peyton Manning kept a close eye on Donald Trump while playing golf, confirmed he didn't cheat

Comparing Donald Trump Jr. to Fredo Corleone Is Grossly Unfair. To Fredo.

Donald Trump: Vladimir Putin Wanted Hillary Clinton to Win
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4191 on: July 12, 2017, 09:54:59 pm »

and advertisers to spend their money on ads.

There are no ads on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.  It's the national public broadcaster.  But don't let facts get in the way as usual.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4192 on: July 12, 2017, 10:44:19 pm »

And, this isn't "fake news"...

Trump Impeachment Odds Spike After Donald Trump Jr.’s Russia Emails



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Donald Trump Jr. left many speechless when he shared his full email exchange with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya that led to a meeting during his father’s presidential campaign in 2016.

While some are accusing Trump Jr. of collusion, others are getting out their wallets: PaddyPower, an Ireland-based betting site, has seen more users placing bets on President Trump being impeached before the end of his first term, bringing the site's total odds of the President being shuffled out of the White House by 2021 up to 60%—the highest it’s ever been, according to company spokesperson Lee Price.

"[President Donald Trump] had gone quiet over the last month, and we were starting to wonder if he might have ridden out the initial controversies – but he’s back with a bang today,” Price wrote in an email to Fortune Wednesday.

Not only are PaddyPower bettors increasingly putting their money on Trump being impeached before his first term is over, but they are also betting on him being impeached as soon as this year, bringing those odds up to 33.3%. That's despite the fact that impeachment proceedings are usually lengthy.

"Everyone is betting on the 'yes' side of impeachment," Price said, saying hundreds of thousands of pounds had been placed on that bet.
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« Reply #4193 on: July 12, 2017, 10:56:51 pm »

Well, it's official...very unlikely to go anywhere now but perhaps after the midterm elections?

Democratic lawmaker files articles of impeachment against President Trump



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Well, it's happened: Despite the unlikelihood that Donald Trump would be impeached by a Republican-majority House, a Democratic lawmaker on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against President Trump.

Rep. Brad Sherman of California contended that the president should be impeached for his alleged interference with the FBI investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn. According to former FBI director James Comey's testimony before a Senate panel, the president said he "hoped" Comey would drop the probe into Flynn during a one-on-one meeting.

"I believe his conversations with, and subsequent firing of, FBI Director Comey constitute obstruction of justice," Sherman said in a statement. "...The Constitution does not provide for the removal of a president for impulsive, ignorant incompetence. It does provide for the removal of a president for high crimes and misdemeanors."
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4194 on: July 12, 2017, 11:06:08 pm »

Ooooh, this is interesting...

Trump Campaign Is Sued Over Leaked Emails Linked to Russians


Roger J. Stone Jr. at the La Quinta Resort and Club in La Quinta, Calif., in March. He is accused in an invasion of privacy lawsuit.
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WASHINGTON — Two Democratic Party donors and a former party staff member have filed an invasion of privacy lawsuit against President Trump’s campaign and a longtime informal adviser, Roger J. Stone Jr., accusing them of conspiring in the release of hacked Democratic emails and files that exposed their personal information to the public.

The case was organized by Protect Democracy, a government watchdog group run by former Obama administration lawyers. It filed the claim just short of a deadline under a one-year statute of limitations for privacy invasion lawsuits: WikiLeaks published the first archives of stolen Democratic National Committee emails, which intelligence agencies say Russia hacked to harm Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and help Mr. Trump, last July 22.

Mr. Trump and his political advisers, including Mr. Stone, have repeatedly denied colluding with Russia, and the 44-page complaint, filed on Wednesday in the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, does not contain any hard evidence that his campaign did. But it is seeking to depose witnesses and obtain campaign emails and other documents during the discovery process that is a standard part of lawsuits.

If a judge permits the case to reach that stage, the lawsuit would become a new and independent fact-finding investigation into the Trump-Russia issue — one that is overseen by a judge rather than by congressional Republicans, like the oversight inquiries conducted by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, or by the Trump administration, like the criminal inquiry led by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

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« Reply #4195 on: July 13, 2017, 06:02:58 pm »

White House Denies Any Ties to United States



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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a fiercely defiant statement on Tuesday, the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, denied that any member of the White House staff has ever worked "in any way, shape, or form" for the benefit of the United States.

Angrily addressing the press corps, Spicer said that any allegations that members of the Trump Administration have ever acted in concert or collusion with the United States are "unequivocally false."

"At no time during the transition or afterward did any member of the Trump team have meetings, conversations, or any other contacts that furthered the interests of the United States of America," Spicer said. "In the thousands of communications that took place, the United States never came up even once."

Drawing a stark contrast with the Administration of former President Barack Obama, Spicer said that many members of Obama’s staff were “clearly and flagrantly working for the United States government at all times.”

“President Trump has put an end to that,” he said.

In closing, Spicer said that the recent effort to pass the Republican health-care bill should silence “once and for all” those trying to link the Trump Administration to the United States government. "If you look at the interaction between the White House and congressional Republicans, there is absolutely no evidence of coördination,” he said.

It's satirical...(in case anybody took it seriously–actually, maybe it's not complete fiction)
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« Reply #4196 on: July 14, 2017, 12:31:23 am »

White House Denies Any Ties to United States



It's satirical...(in case anybody took it seriously–actually, maybe it's not complete fiction)
Jeff, nothing surprises me anymore.
BTW: good satire.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4197 on: July 14, 2017, 12:36:14 am »

And some people think Trump is a really smart guy?

President Trump talks off the record on Air Force One, wonders why it wasn't published


President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump arrive on Air Force One at Orly Airport in Paris, Thursday, July 13, 2017.
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Well, this is confusing.

President Trump had an off-the-record conversation on Wednesday with reporters aboard Air Force One. According to pool reports, Trump spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders declared that it was off the record.

And then, on Thursday, Trump asked why his comments weren't used.

From the pool report:

"Your pooler reminded him last night was off the record. POTUS asked if I had heard him say it could be on-record; your pooler replied truthfully no (co-poolers also were not under impression it was on-record, since Sarah Sanders had declared it off record)."

Off the record means OFF THE FRIGGIN' RECORD...

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« Reply #4198 on: July 14, 2017, 12:44:00 am »

DONALD TRUMP’S DEFENSE? OBAMA IS TO BLAME FOR RUSSIA, SYRIA, MICHAEL FLYNN AND EVERY OTHER DISGRACE


NOT MY FAULT!

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Never in American political history has there been a figure as thoroughly blameless as Donald J. Trump. Nothing is ever his fault. In all matters, he is blameless. Others may err, but he remains without blemish in his gilded penthouse

Speaking in Paris on Thursday, the president made clear who was to blame for his son Donald Jr.’s troubling meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya: Loretta E. Lynch, who was President Barack Obama’s attorney general.

“Somebody said that her visas or her passport to come into the country was approved by Attorney General Lynch, now maybe that’s wrong. I just heard that a little while ago. But, was a little surprised to hear that, she was here because of Lynch," Trump said.

But of course. How wrong we all were, to think that the 39-year-old Trump Jr.was responsible for his own actions, or that Trump Sr. was responsible for everything that went on in his political campaign.

I’d go even further: it was Obama who picked Lynch as his attorney general, which makes this whole fiasco over Trump’s less-than-brilliant son his fault. Mr. Obama, why did you force the Trump campaign into colluding with Russia? Have you no decency, sir?

Blaming may be Trump’s most finely-honed skill. Someone else is always wrecking our country: undocumented immigrants from Latin America, refugees from Syria, liberal Democrats, the Japanese, the Chinese, the French with their silly theories about melting ice caps. And only Trump can fix it. Unless, of course, those opposing forces somehow confound him. Which, if they do, he will let you know very clearly.

Some may have thought that in assuming the office of the presidency, Trump would also assume the responsibilities that come with being the most powerful man on Earth. No such luck, for while the power of the presidency is great, the man who now has the presidency is small.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4199 on: July 14, 2017, 12:57:46 am »

Wait, wait, there's more!!!!

Today's Impeach-O-Meter: Most Americans Already Know Trump Is Not Great


Eating dinner in the Eiffel Tower, as Trump did on Thursday, is perhaps the only undeniably
good thing he has done as president. If you were in France and could do anything you
wanted, wouldn't it be "eat a baguette in the Eiffel Tower"? Hats off.


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In the tradition of the Clintonometer and the Trump Apocalypse Watch, the Impeach-O-Meter is a wildly subjective and speculative daily estimate of the likelihood that Donald Trump leaves office before his term ends, whether by being impeached (and convicted) or by resigning under threat of same.

Donald Trump Jr.'s admission that he, Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner met last June with a woman who they believed to be offering them Russisan government support has eliminated whatever was left of the Trump administration's credibility in re: the Russia scandal. It's also in itself evidence of bad judgment—and not to get all Internet Patriot-y on you, but it's pretty dang disloyal to the United States! Pretty darn disloyal, folks.

The thing is, HuffPost/YouGov has done some polling on the subject, and a wide majority of Americans more or less agree with the above take ...



Trump's approval rating, meanwhile, has held at 39 percent or so for two months. And so while I do think this week's Fredo Fiasco is significant news, I am going to bow to numerical reality and lower the meter to reflect the fact that the polling plunge that is a necessary condition for impeachment is not taking place. Consider this a devaluation of our currency, as it were.


Photo illustration by Natalie Matthews-Ramo.
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