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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2780 on: May 20, 2017, 01:11:36 AM »

At least this is funny!

TIME MAGAZINE RIPS OFF MAD MAGAZINE?

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In 1952, Time Magazine called MAD “a short lived, satirical pulp.” Now they’re stealing our material! Honestly, we’re flattered, but we would have appreciated a credit — something like, “Idea stolen from MAD, which in 1952 we called a short lived satirical pulp!”


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2781 on: May 20, 2017, 01:22:03 AM »

Ya can't make this stuff up...seriously!

Looks Like The President Copied His Speech From Elle Woods

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“The Tonight Show” host Jimmy Fallon listened to President Donald Trump’s latest commencement address at the Liberty University and thought he heard something familiar — specifically, throwbacks to the famous 2001 comedy “Legally Blonde.”

Trump's speech was pretty reminiscent of Elle Woods' (Reese Witherspoon) address to her law school classmates at graduation.

“I watched Trump’s commencement speech, and it sounded kind of familiar,” the late-night host said, before playing a combination of clips from the billionaire baron’s address simultaneously with Woods' speech to her graduating class at the Harvard University.

The video highlighting common words and sentences showed Elle's famous line:
"It is with passion, courage, conviction, and most importantly, have faith in yourself. We did it!"

Followed by Trump’s recent address:
"It is with passion, courage and your convictions, and most importantly, be true to yourself. I did it!" he said.

Donald Trump Plagiarizes Legally Blonde Grad Speech - Monologue - You Tube
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2782 on: May 20, 2017, 01:38:26 AM »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2783 on: May 20, 2017, 01:41:11 AM »

Ya can't make this stuff up...seriously!

And yet, you did:

"Did President Trump Plagiarize His Commencement Speech from 'Legally Blonde'?"

http://www.snopes.com/trump-legally-blonde-speech/


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2784 on: May 20, 2017, 01:52:32 AM »

"Harvard Study Reveals Huge Extent of Anti-Trump Media Bias"
(unjustified) bias or (inconvenient) truth ?

My call: a bit of both  ;)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2785 on: May 20, 2017, 01:58:40 AM »

And yet, you did:

"Did President Trump Plagiarize His Commencement Speech from 'Legally Blonde'?"

http://www.snopes.com/trump-legally-blonde-speech/

Got ya!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2786 on: May 20, 2017, 02:03:00 AM »

Enough of the fun stuff...

Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation

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WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.

The Whitehouse has not denied the report...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2787 on: May 20, 2017, 02:08:15 AM »

First on CNN: Russian officials bragged they could use Flynn to influence Trump, sources say

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Washington (CNN)Russian officials bragged in conversations during the presidential campaign that they had cultivated a strong relationship with former Trump adviser retired Gen. Michael Flynn and believed they could use him to influence Donald Trump and his team, sources told CNN.

The conversations deeply concerned US intelligence officials, some of whom acted on their own to limit how much sensitive information they shared with Flynn, who was tapped to become Trump's national security adviser, current and former governments officials said.

"This was a five-alarm fire from early on," one former Obama administration official said, "the way the Russians were talking about him." Another former administration official said Flynn was viewed as a potential national security problem.

The conversations picked up by US intelligence officials indicated the Russians regarded Flynn as an ally, sources said. That relationship developed throughout 2016, months before Flynn was caught on an intercepted call in December speaking with Russia's ambassador in Washington, Sergey Kislyak. That call, and Flynn's changing story about it, ultimately led to his firing as Trump's first national security adviser.

Officials cautioned, however, that the Russians might have exaggerated their sway with Trump's team during those conversations.

Flynn's lawyer declined to comment.

No wonder Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2788 on: May 20, 2017, 02:16:04 AM »

https://www.rt.com/usa/389030-comey-testify-collusion-trump/Ex-FBI chief Comey to testify to Senate panel in public session

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Former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump last week amid an agency probe into alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. election, has agreed to testify before the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee at a public hearing, the committee said in a statement on Friday.

The hearing will be scheduled after the May 29 Memorial Day holiday, the statement said.

The gift that keeps on giving...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2789 on: May 20, 2017, 02:23:11 AM »

And from the far right...

Krauthammer: There’s ‘A Loyalty Problem Inside the White House’

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On Friday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Special Report,” columnist Charles Krauthammer argued the New York Times’ report about President Trump’s conversations with Russian officials about FBI Director James Comey’s firing shows that there’s “a loyalty problem inside the White House.”

Krauthammer began by saying the White House’s protests about leaks with regard to Trump’s discussions with Russian officials about FBI Director James Comey’s dismissal is “inadvertently self-indicting. Because, after all, the idea that journalists are going to receive leaks is — it’s a constant.

Of course if it was up to Trump he would throw the journalists in jail for writing about the leaks :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2790 on: May 20, 2017, 02:34:29 AM »

As an outsider, and a person who has never visited the US, I'm rather amazed at all the confusion that's going on.

In a free democracy with transparent voting procedures, it would be expected that the people get the president they deserve.
If the majority is too stupid to work out which is the best candidate, then they must suffer the consequences.
If the system is designed in such a way that the total majority of individual votes in all states combined, does not determine the results, then presumably that's for a reason, in order not to marginalize the less populated states.

The US has chosen, within the parameters of its voting system, to elect an apparently incompetent president. This is not Donald Trumps's fault. My understanding is that he was initially very surprised that his tactics during the election campaign appeared to be very successful. It's understandable that he continued with such tactics and eventually became President.

The fact that he became President could be considered as a criticism of the intelligence of the American people plus their obvious disenchantment with previous governments. There was no other candidate who could 'trump' Trump. Don't blame Trump for that.

All this concern about Russia's involvement in the election outcome, is a total distraction and a waste of money.
America's problems are it's huge debt, it's continuing military expenditure, and its lousy health care system for the poor and vulnerable. Fix it if you can. If you can't, then suffer the consequences.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2791 on: May 20, 2017, 02:42:06 AM »

Officials identify White House 'person of interest' in Trump-Russia investigation

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The FBI investigation into ties between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russian officials has reached the White House, according to a damaging new report on Friday.

The Washington Post reported that investigators have identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, according to people familiar with the matter. The individual is described as someone who is “close to the president”.

In a statement, White House press secretary Sean Spicer did not deny the report, saying simply: “As the president has stated before – a thorough investigation will confirm that there was no collusion between the campaign and any foreign entity.”

Jared Kushner?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2792 on: May 20, 2017, 02:53:19 AM »

In a free democracy with transparent voting procedures, it would be expected that the people get the president they deserve.

We did...

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If the majority is too stupid to work out which is the best candidate, then they must suffer the consequences.

We are...

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If the system is designed in such a way that the total majority of individual votes in all states combined, does not determine the results, then presumably that's for a reason, in order not to marginalize the less populated states.

That's the way it's supposed to work...

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The US has chosen, within the parameters of its voting system, to elect an apparently incompetent president.

Yep, but it was not without impact from outside of the normal election process...Russia had a hand in perverting the process.

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My understanding is that he was initially very surprised that his tactics during the election campaign appeared to be very successful.

Yeah, pretty sure he was surprised (and a bit freaked out) that he won...so was the rest of the world BTW...

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All this concern about Russia's involvement in the election outcome, is a total distraction and a waste of money.

Well, that's where you are wrong...is it not wise to study what the Russians did so the rest of the world can avoid being similarly attacked? They (the Russians) tried to impact the French elections and there is the German election next year...don't you think it's important for the democracies of the western world to be prepared to defend their elections?

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If you can't, then suffer the consequences.

Yeah, thanks, we already figured that out (DOOOH!)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2793 on: May 20, 2017, 03:53:44 AM »

Well, that's where you are wrong...is it not wise to study what the Russians did so the rest of the world can avoid being similarly attacked? They (the Russians) tried to impact the French elections and there is the German election next year...don't you think it's important for the democracies of the western world to be prepared to defend their elections?

Every involved authority tries to influence elections, whether internally or externally. The bottom line is that each individual casts a vote, if they want to. (In Australia it's compulsory. You get fined for not voting.) If Americans are too stupid to analyse the media reports and the innuendos from whatever source, and make up their own mind, then don't blame the Russians. Blame yourselves and work out what you did wrong.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2794 on: May 20, 2017, 06:33:11 AM »

If Americans are too stupid to analyse the media reports and the innuendos from whatever source, and make up their own mind, then don't blame the Russians. Blame yourselves and work out what you did wrong.

Yep ya got us...from now on political parties should hire MIT grads to run their IT departments and campaign managers shall NOT use gmail (and have a password other than "PASSWORD").

Cool, got any sage advice about what to do about confermation bias and fake news?  What about how to attract honest people to run for office? Surely you know how to fix America, right? Help us, please...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2795 on: May 20, 2017, 07:03:21 AM »

Yep ya got us...from now on political parties should hire MIT grads to run their IT departments and campaign managers shall NOT use gmail (and have a password other than "PASSWORD").

Cool, got any sage advice about what to do about confermation bias and fake news?  What about how to attract honest people to run for office? Surely you know how to fix America, right? Help us, please...

Sure! No problem! You have a democratic system similar to Australia's, which consists of a House of Representatives, and a Senate, largely made up of two major parties, one on the left and one on the right.

The IQ of your representatives should be higher than average, wouldn't you agree? Whatever the biases of your politicians in government, if they don't have the nous to understand that an intelligent compromise on policies is required, in order to make America great again, then you're stuffed.  ;)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2796 on: May 20, 2017, 08:10:58 AM »

The IQ of your representatives should be higher than average, wouldn't you agree? Whatever the biases of your politicians in government, if they don't have the nous to understand that an intelligent compromise on policies is required, in order to make America great again, then you're stuffed.  ;)

It's not about intelligence, it's mostly about influence and money to win the next election.

If it were about doing the right things for the people whom they are supposed to represent, then things like healthcare, education, environment, etc. would be in better shape than they are now.

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2797 on: May 20, 2017, 08:28:52 AM »

Every involved authority tries to influence elections, whether internally or externally. The bottom line is that each individual casts a vote, if they want to. (In Australia it's compulsory. You get fined for not voting.) If Americans are too stupid to analyse the media reports and the innuendos from whatever source, and make up their own mind, then don't blame the Russians. Blame yourselves and work out what you did wrong.

Ray, just quit while you're ahead.  Schewe just can't let go of the Russia thing while at the same time making it seem like we are better.  (Of course the other irony is Obama and all the Dems were all about making positive connections with Russia just a short while ago.)  All of Latin America and Iran are great examples of foreign countries we meddled with.

I don't blame the Russians.  If I eventually have to blame someone, which I don't think is necessary right now, I'd blame the HRC campaign, who were royal screw ups when it came to campaigning, although really good at convincing the whole of the DNC to suppress anyone running against them.  This is why she lost, her entire campaign, from the very beginning (read the articles on how disorganized her first speech was), had no idea what they were doing.  She had no idea what she was doing. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2798 on: May 20, 2017, 09:23:22 AM »

It's not about intelligence, it's mostly about influence and money to win the next election.

If it were about doing the right things for the people whom they are supposed to represent, then things like healthcare, education, environment, etc. would be in better shape than they are now.

Cheers,
Bart

Everything is about intelligence, Bart. We're smarter than the apes because we're more intelligent. Smart economics beats stupid economics. Smart control of the economy beats stupid control. But everything has a cost and decisions have to be made about priorities. The USA has spent a huge amount on its armed forces and conflicts in the Middle East and Far East, and on various bases around the world.

If they hadn't joined the second world war against Germany and Japan, I don't know what sort of society we'd be in today. Not favourable to freedom, I suspect.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2799 on: May 20, 2017, 09:35:50 AM »

As an outsider, and a person who has never visited the US, I'm rather amazed at all the confusion that's going on.

In a free democracy with transparent voting procedures, it would be expected that the people get the president they deserve.
If the majority is too stupid to work out which is the best candidate, then they must suffer the consequences.
If the system is designed in such a way that the total majority of individual votes in all states combined, does not determine the results, then presumably that's for a reason, in order not to marginalize the less populated states.

The US has chosen, within the parameters of its voting system, to elect an apparently incompetent president. This is not Donald Trumps's fault. My understanding is that he was initially very surprised that his tactics during the election campaign appeared to be very successful. It's understandable that he continued with such tactics and eventually became President.

The fact that he became President could be considered as a criticism of the intelligence of the American people plus their obvious disenchantment with previous governments. There was no other candidate who could 'trump' Trump. Don't blame Trump for that.

All this concern about Russia's involvement in the election outcome, is a total distraction and a waste of money.
America's problems are it's huge debt, it's continuing military expenditure, and its lousy health care system for the poor and vulnerable. Fix it if you can. If you can't, then suffer the consequences.

You are right that we are diverted from our problems of debt, high health care costs, increasing deficits, North Korea and other miscreants, etc.  Unfortunately the establishment is more concerned with power and politics.  The elite establishment on both sides as well as business and the media saw Trump as a threat and tried to stop him from being president and now are trying to destroy him since he was elected.   The Washington Post and the NY Times, always liberal and Democrat, have made it their mission to attack him every day.  Yes, Trump often gives them ammunition.  But if he was Obama, it would be overlooked or downplayed.

Frankly, if you look at his policies since he became President, they are rather traditional even if you you're looking from the other side.  Certainly they're not radical nor even much different then what we have.  Obamacare isn't going away.  He supports most of it just in another form.  He's strengthened our military and international policies, something ready to be done after Obama.  WE need tax reform; the stock markets have shown their appreciation of his plans by going up about ten percent.  He put a first rate justice on the Supreme Court.  He is learning his job and I suspect he'll turn out to be a rather competent steward of the office when all is said and done.  Frankly, I don't know how he puts up with all the attack for almost two years.  To have beat everyone singlehandedly  including many from his own party, and now have to defend yourself against the barrage of attacks from the press and others is not easy.  Sure it's easy to be "presidential" like Obama did when you have the support of the media.  But everyone is out to get you, everything you do is attacked.  Well, they say presidential politics isn't tiddlywinks. 

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