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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2440 on: April 28, 2017, 08:01:16 am »

The poor guy...he thought being President would be easier...


Wait...he's STILL talking about the friggin' election?

Is he gonna last 4 years (let alone 8 years)?

It sure doesn't sound like he's having any fun :~(
The Democrats seem to be talking about the election all the time too, how the Russians, Comey, and everyone else but the Dems and Hillary lost it for them.  They're still running around all pissed off.  Seems like no one can get over it.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2441 on: April 28, 2017, 08:07:27 am »

...add to this the treatment of his family.  I suspect the treatment of Ivanka and Jared must be eating away at him as well.

Well if the temperature in the food preparation area is increasing to an uncomfortable level....... ;D
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2442 on: April 28, 2017, 08:11:21 am »

The Democrats seem to be talking about the election all the time too, how the Russians, Comey, and everyone else but the Dems and Hillary lost it for them.  They're still running around all pissed off.  Seems like no one can get over it.

The democrats are investigating potential illegal activity involving the Trump campaign and the Russians

Trump is talking about how yuge his numbers really really were as a way to assuage his ego.

Bit of a difference... perhaps a bigly difference?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2443 on: April 28, 2017, 11:41:50 am »

The Democrats seem to be talking about the election all the time too, how the Russians, Comey, and everyone else but the Dems and Hillary lost it for them.  They're still running around all pissed off.  Seems like no one can get over it.
Hey Alan, you couldn't resist getting back?  :o
Too much fun here I think  ;D

I think the Dems have lots of reasons to talk about the lost election (and the investigations surrounding it), Trump has none other then to boost his hurt ego talking about his win. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2444 on: April 28, 2017, 12:39:31 pm »

...Trump has none other then to boost his hurt ego talking about his win. 

Indeed. There is absolutely no reason for distributing copies of the latest election results map during an interview about his first 100 days. Sic transit gloria mundi or in other, paraphrased words: "Thus passes the glory of the world election win."  ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2445 on: April 28, 2017, 01:22:35 pm »

Indeed. There is absolutely no reason for distributing copies of the latest election results map during an interview about his first 100 days. Sic transit gloria mundi or in other, paraphrased words: "Thus passes the glory of the world election win."  ;)
Has there been a week in the current administration where he has NOT mentioned his election victory??  He, as well as all the disaffected Democrats, should get over this!!!  Be a President, Mr. Trump!!! 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2446 on: April 28, 2017, 07:50:39 pm »

That's the interesting thing.  He's meant to be the leader.  If he stopped talking about the election, the media would stop talking about the election, and so his opponents would probably stop talking about the election.  Good or bad, he sets the agenda and the tone for discussion by virtue of his office.

He keeps throwing tantrums about people complaining he's throwing tantrums and then wondering why people keep complaining about him throwing tantrums.

A leader's word should be final, but a leader also knows that sometimes you have to not have the last word.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2447 on: April 28, 2017, 11:49:19 pm »

Spotted yesterday a strange duck with an orange toupe just two hours north of US-Canadian border.
Can anybody id this specimen?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2448 on: April 28, 2017, 11:54:19 pm »

It's clearly the Donald Duck, but I think your color balance is a little off. The hairpiece should be more (or should I say bigly) Orange.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2449 on: April 29, 2017, 08:52:08 am »

On the day that Turkey blocks access to all the different language Wikipedia websites, I read this.

EPA says website undergoing makeover to match Trump, Pruitt views:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN17V011

"The website of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, EPA.gov, is getting a makeover to reflect the views of President Donald Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, the agency said on Friday.

“As EPA renews its commitment to human health and clean air, land and water, our website needs to reflect the views of the leadership of the agency,” it said in a statement."


Is that a typo, 'renews' should be 'reduces'?

Wonder what that will look like, and if the people of the USA will let that happen while standing by?

Cheers,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2450 on: April 29, 2017, 11:27:53 am »

On the day that Turkey blocks access to all the different language Wikipedia websites, I read this.

EPA says website undergoing makeover to match Trump, Pruitt views:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN17V011

"The website of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, EPA.gov, is getting a makeover to reflect the views of President Donald Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, the agency said on Friday.

“As EPA renews its commitment to human health and clean air, land and water, our website needs to reflect the views of the leadership of the agency,” it said in a statement."


Is that a typo, 'renews' should be 'reduces'?

Wonder what that will look like, and if the people of the USA will let that happen while standing by?

Cheers,
Bart


America isn't Turkey and Trump isn't Erdogan.  We have a constitution that has power and stands for something.  Turkey has no real legal protections anymore.  The justices are his allies.  Turkey will soon be a dictatorship if it isn't already.   

By the way, my daughter got back from Amsterdam, had a wonderful time, saw the tulips (outside of town somewhere).  She went to the Anne Frank museum and another famous museum, not sure which one. Food was wonderful.  She said everyone speaks English there except the Chinese tourists who move around in huge groups totally lost. :)  Unfortunately her KLM flight home was cancelled so she had to switch to Delta.  (Are they affiliated?).     Thanks to you and Pieter for the tips.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2451 on: April 29, 2017, 11:57:35 am »

America isn't Turkey and Trump isn't Erdogan.  We have a constitution that has power and stands for something.  Turkey has no real legal protections anymore.  The justices are his allies.  Turkey will soon be a dictatorship if it isn't already.

It often starts with censorship, and restrictions for the free press and internet. When a government denies the effects of human behavior on the environment, "it's a hoax", and starts defunding Scientific research and adjusts website information about Environment Protection in line with that mindset, doesn't that look like the beginning of censorship? Maybe changing the name of the EPA, replacing the 'Protection' part with something more fitting would be more honest?

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By the way, my daughter got back from Amsterdam, had a wonderful time, saw the tulips (outside of town somewhere).  She went to the Anne Frank museum and another famous museum, not sure which one. Food was wonderful.  She said everyone speaks English there except the Chinese tourists who move around in huge groups totally lost. :)  Unfortunately her KLM flight home was cancelled so she had to switch to Delta.  (Are they affiliated?).     Thanks to you and Pieter for the tips.

You're welcome. The tulips were probably those in the Keukenhof. Yes, KLM, Air France, and Delta are affiliated.

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2452 on: April 29, 2017, 06:02:52 pm »

It often starts with censorship, and restrictions for the free press and internet. When a government denies the effects of human behavior on the environment, "it's a hoax", and starts defunding Scientific research and adjusts website information about Environment Protection in line with that mindset, doesn't that look like the beginning of censorship? Maybe changing the name of the EPA, replacing the 'Protection' part with something more fitting would be more honest?

You're welcome. The tulips were probably those in the Keukenhof. Yes, KLM, Air France, and Delta are affiliated.

Cheers,
Bart
The President can do very little without Congress which provides funding for all sorts of things including the EPA.  If the Congress cuts or increases funding for the EPA, the military, healthcare, etc., then that's the will of the people and part of democracy.  The President can't do that on his own.  There's nothing in the constitution that says we have to even have an EPA. 

The EPA's website has nothing to do with free press or the internet.  Regarding specific web pages for the EPA, the Army, Treasury, etc, these fall under the executive, the president, to run.  He appoints the secretaries to these agencies who follow his policies.  Every president biases the presentations in their web pages as well as how the agencies operate to reflect his policy positions.  That's part of winning the election.  These were the positions he took during the campaign, and he won.  Obama did that before Trump and someone else will do it differently after Trump.    But his term is limited to 4 years, 8 if the people re-elect him.  But these things are minor in any case. 90% of the media is against Trump and bias their news accordingly. Certainly nothing like what Erdogan did and is doing like changing who are Turkey's chief justices, taking over newspapers and jailing people who disagree with him.    Erdogan is getting set to extend his already long tenure to another 12 maybe 16 years.  With unilateral rule.  Now that's a dictator.  That's real censorship. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2453 on: May 01, 2017, 01:02:06 am »

As a advocate of our national park system and forest service, Trump's thinly veiled threat to potentially reduce or eliminate is something I find particularly frustrating and scary...

From the Christian Science Monitor (rated Least-Biased by Media Bias Fact Check

Clash over Bears Ears tests years of progress on Native spirituality

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To Native Americans, Bears Ears National Monument is more than a national park, it is holy ground connecting them to their ancestors and the spiritual realm.

Henry Gass
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APRIL 28, 2017 —Davis Filfred wishes President Trump would take a page from General “Stormin’ Norman” Schwarzkopf's playbook, in thinking about Bears Ears National Monument.

When Mr. Filfred served as Marine Corps combat engineer in Operation Desert Storm, General Schwarzkopf ordered troops not to target religious, archaeological, and other sensitive sites for bombing.

Filfred, a member of the Navajo Nation council representing districts in Utah, now says the Trump administration should take the same approach to Bears Ears, a 1.3 million acre swath of southern Utah that has become the latest battleground between the federal government and a burgeoning Native American movement of religion-infused environmental activism. At the heart of that battle is a conflict in worldview. To Native people, land is more than a place to build, dig, and live, it is saturated with religious meaning, and a connection to their ancestors and the spiritual realm.

“This is the place where we worship, this is our holy ground, and what Trump wants to do, and the Utah delegation, is they want to bomb our sacred place,” he says.

Earlier this week, Mr. Trump signed an executive order calling for a review of almost two-dozen sites designated as national monuments since Jan. 1, 1996. The order requires Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to submit reviews of monuments larger than 100,000 acres within 120 days, with the exception of Bears Ears, where he will submit a final review within 45 days. The investigation will center on whether the monuments could be reduced in size or perhaps eliminated.   

Bears Ears is an interesting coalition of federal, state and indian tribal involvement. The tribes involved are; Hopi Tribe, Navajo Nation, Ute Mountain Ute Tribe, Pueblo of Zuni, Ute Indian Tribe. More info on the coalition here bearsearscoalition.org and the monument: Bears Ears National Monument...

Fortunately, there's some major doubt that Trump could walk back Obama's order:

Can the president shrink – or even eliminate – national monuments?

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President Trump's latest executive order opens the door to reducing or revoking two dozen national monuments, including Bears Ears in Utah. It's far from clear, however, that the president has the legal authority to do so.

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APRIL 26, 2017  BOULDER, COLO.—If Western Republicans have had one focus in their anger over federal land management in recent years, it’s been national monument designations.

The ability to withdraw large tracts of land from development with the stroke of a pen, under the authority of the 1906 Antiquities Act, is one of the broadest executive powers that a president has. And it’s been a power many presidents have wielded expansively as they consider their legacy.

Now the permanence of that legacy is being called into question.

In an unprecedented move, President Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order directing Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to review all presidential monument designations greater than 100,000 acres within the past 21 years – at least 24 monuments established under Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama – and recommend changes or modifications.

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Legal precedent – or lack thereof

While there is no judicial decision on the issue, several opinions by attorneys general and solicitors “strongly suggest the president doesn’t have this authority to rescind” a national monument designation, says Robert Keiter, a law professor at the University of Utah and director of the Wallace Stegner Center for Land, Resources, and the Environment. “Most legal scholars that have looked at it have concluded the same.”

Some presidents have reduced the size of monuments: President Wilson cut the Mount Olympus National Monument (now a national park) by nearly half; President Eisenhower reduced the Great Sand Dunes (also now a national park) by 25 percent; and President Taft reduced the Navajo National Monument, which he himself had established just three years earlier, by nearly 90 percent.

But, legal scholars note, none of those reductions were ever challenged in court, so there is no legal opinion on whether presidents actually had the power to make them. And all of them occurred prior to the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, which some experts believe more explicitly limits presidential powers to revoke or change monuments. Moreover, many of those earlier readjustments were based on new information. Taft, for instance, reduced the Navajo monument once better mapping showed exactly where the threats to cliff dwellings and other Native American antiquities existed, says Professor Keiter.

#MAGA and save our national lands from Trump
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2454 on: May 01, 2017, 01:35:13 am »

The reality of the situation is, well, staggering. The man is a pathological liar and normal politicians are in the same league...

Here are 100 Lies and False Statements From Trump’s First 100 Days

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A new era in American politics. And a new challenge for citizens and journalists.
By Tasneem Nashrulla & Claudia Koerner

Donald Trump’s frequent claim that a wave of people voting illegally cost him the popular vote is a lie. So is his claim of gigantic crowds at his inauguration. And from that foundation flowed an unprecedented torrent of flat lies, wild exaggerations, and what the experts call “bullshit” — statements not even intended to reflect the truth.

As the president approaches his 100th day in office, an extensive — but not exhaustive — BuzzFeed News review found an average of one false statement per day from Trump and his top aides.

We don’t take calling things “lies” lightly. (See our definitions at the top of thisarticle.) And we don't suggest that Trump is the first president in history to lie: As I.F. Stone once wrote, “All governments lie.”

But Trump’s falsehoods come with an unprecedented frequency, scale, and lack of shame. They are a defining feature of his tenure, and have helped create a crisis of credibility.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2455 on: May 01, 2017, 08:31:22 am »

President Donald Trump this weekend called North Korean leader Kim Jong Un a “smart cookie” in his latest praise of a controversial dictator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-kim-jong-un_us_5906f2a5e4b05c397680864c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

One wonders about Kim Jong Un how he calls Donald Trump?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2456 on: May 01, 2017, 10:22:59 am »

As a advocate of our national park system and forest service, Trump's thinly veiled threat to potentially reduce or eliminate is something I find particularly frustrating and scary...


#MAGA and save our national lands from Trump
I'm all in favor of Park lands.  But I always wondered why a President on his own can just declare something a Monument and limit access and other heretofore rights of the public.  It seems that these should be voted by Congress as well.  After all, we're a democratic republic and the president isn't a king. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2457 on: May 01, 2017, 10:26:15 am »

The reality of the situation is, well, staggering. The man is a pathological liar and normal politicians are in the same league...


Trump is a liar.

Is that the Democrat platform for 2020?   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2458 on: May 01, 2017, 10:51:23 am »

Trump is a liar.

Is that the Democrat platform for 2020?

No. It's the plain truth. Read the list.

For any other president, any one of those lies would be big news.
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« Reply #2459 on: May 01, 2017, 11:01:42 am »

No. It's the plain truth. Read the list.

For any other president, any one of those lies would be big news.
Yeah, I got it.  Great platform.
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