ITs rather funny how we can sit and discuss all day, yet the tools are in front of us, and we have the simple ability to just test for ourselves, but we fall back on texts that someone else wrote. Why and how are these people supposed to be soo much smarter than you? Why would you not simply test it and see for yourself? In 2016, with the easy tools we have it is not hard! I started this post to do the test, but wanted some advice on the right way to doit, NOT based on ANY conclusion. Simple math of proven theorems, and simple repeat observation.
Its amazing how institutionalized some minds are. Its a waste of time to verify the actual place you stand? We learn over and over in history how every few hundred years the understanding of civilization changes what they once knew as fact. This is the technological time of recorded imagery, communication, and precision tools available to the masses...YET we have not ONE true image from orbit showing this "reality" yet you defend it like a sacrd religion in the name of the EXACT practice it undermines! How lazy can we be at times? And then not only do we spew what we learned, and the better we took time to understand it the more we are convinced it must be the only answer.
Do you think questioning something of this simplicity is a easy position? Do you think people who believe one way or the other were born this way?
It WOULD be easy to confirm, with some effort, if we looked at things scientifically without arrogance, without the idea of "I know something more and I will school what I learned onto you"!... YET you can PROVE and test what you learned yourself, BUT, you have to do the simple tests. The physically proven. The tests basic physics teaches us. Observational tests. Repeatable ones with both sides. And this test is not law as our physical state is in a perpetual change. Maybe years down the line, or the NEXT day a contradicting test comes up. The test is not to show your right or wrong! ITs to define, and that is ALL HUMANS DO, and its what science does, is to define what we observe. We don't create it! And we don't trust the givens! When you have marketing and authoritarian rule dictate what you know, while its in front of you to confirm, how can you not check?
But it most importantly takes a true scientific mind to admit that the science proved them wrong. And that's where the scientist and the indoctrinated diverge.
There are a number of you here that know the information we learned very well and we hold it VERY close to our identity of what we believe to be true and is as we understand reality. But if you are a scientific mind, and you honor that understanding that you observe and report. This is what drove you away from religion in the first place! I know it did for me. If you are true to that scientific METHOD, than you test. If you are just a believer, you hold on to your believes like the church. There is nothing too wrong with that as a person, but if a man is of scientific understanding, you just cant do that. A rational, logic based thinker does not allow indoctrination take over this area in his or her life.
There are a number of postulate positions you should be faced with just in what I presented. If you are fit or fat and happy with your life and how the world surrounds you, and the direction of man kind and wish to NOT be rational, and stick to what you think you know...then I ask you to do so someplace other than this thread....
If you think the shape of something is one way over another than we should measure it, and define it as we find it. "But Phil its already been done since 250 BC!". I know. I learned a lot of the same things you did. I'm sure a couple of you at least learned it much better than I. Further than I. Fantastic. Give yourself a round of applause. I learned other things that might be in a macro view. And another person learned something else in a micro topic. Fantastic! These are NOT things that work against one another. These are what bring advancement in understanding. But they have to be quantifiable. Your study of some text books in another area of thought doesn't make you smarter than I, or him, her, or anyone with rational. You simply expanded your vocabulary in that school of thought.
And I do understand that we can predict things, like rise and fall of sun and moon, etc. I just want to learn more. And I like doing it hands on with testing. But if we only take the information that is immediate to us on such a large planet that has been measured to ~23k miles, I think a collective pool would give a more accurate idea from different areas. At the same time we can observe the sun getting smaller as it approaches the horizon, we can observe crespecular rays, we can observe the clouds shadows, calculate the distance, triangulate the suns converging position. So we have basic things to measure for physical evidence...with some effort, it is simply testable..
Otherwise keep your religion to yourself, as that is what you are doing. Perhaps you process information faster, or slower, and you can have a larger memory, or small. But you are not this idea of a superior intellect. We as a human race have moved slowly this far due to collective experience and knowledge. While we have so much technical advances we have made, yet so little or NONE to even show for it. Use this internet while the channels of global communication are open. Just this alone made advancements not long ago SO hard. Why do you think we are here at this desk? Its those advancements from technology that we have to thank for. Testing is the least we can do.
This maybe helpful:
http://www.davidsenesac.com/Information/line_of_sight.html
