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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2017, 08:00:21 AM »

I print from Lightroom on Mac OSX day in-day out with numerous different papers, three different printers using bespoke presets for every combination and do NOT have issues except for "pilot error". So here's what I do, in case it helps. I create the presets directly in the printer driver (which is accessed through LR's "PRINT SETTINGS" (left side) or "PRINTER" (right side) buttons using the "Save New Preset" option in the driver's Preset dropdown menu. This preset is normally sticky till you change it to something else. However, before printing I always verify with the first print that the correct preset is selected. The preset in the driver does not include the profile. In LR I make sure I have selected the correct profile in the bottom right of the LR Print dialog before printing.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2017, 08:13:01 AM »

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In LR I make sure I have selected the correct profile in the bottom right of the LR Print dialog before printing.



So do I.  (Using Windows)
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2017, 03:54:56 PM »

For what it is worth, I had this problem a while back - trying to change an existing print template with another printer profile just wouldn't stick.  There was no problem in creating a new template it was just that any attempt to update an existing one with a different paper profile wouldn't stick.  I have tried it out again - I am using CC 2015.6.1 on Mac OSX 10.11.3 and it works fine now.  A mysterious bug that seems to have righted itself but then again I can't remember if I changed anything after I was having that problem or if it just went away.

What I did experience at some point was that a number of functions in LR wouldn't work at all - particularly the slideshow (which I don't use very often).  The problem turned out to be disk permissions for certain folders having been set to read only.  Adobe online assistance was pretty good - you have to give over control of your computer to them remotely which is a bit unnerving - and they changed the permissions for a lot of folders and after that everything has worked fine.  But I have to confess that I can't remember whether the print template problem was contemporaneous with the slideshow problem.  But it worthwhile making sure that all disks on which you store templates, files etc. are set to read and write and not just read only.  And having just written that I now realise that if that was the problem then logically creating a new template would have run into the same problem.  But it might be worth checking.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2017, 10:30:52 PM »

I print from Lightroom on Mac OSX day in-day out with numerous different papers, three different printers using bespoke presets for every combination and do NOT have issues except for "pilot error". So here's what I do, in case it helps. I create the presets directly in the printer driver (which is accessed through LR's "PRINT SETTINGS" (left side) or "PRINTER" (right side) buttons using the "Save New Preset" option in the driver's Preset dropdown menu. This preset is normally sticky till you change it to something else. However, before printing I always verify with the first print that the correct preset is selected. The preset in the driver does not include the profile. In LR I make sure I have selected the correct profile in the bottom right of the LR Print dialog before printing.
I am just the opposite.  I use the Print button on nearly every job I print, I have about 100 lightroom templates and they all work perfectly.  The are all organized by paper size and printer so it's pretty easy to navigate to the ones I need.

Several version ago while struggling with oddities in the print module, I found they only occurred if I tried to include a MacOS preset in the print settings dialog box into my Lightroom template,  Everything seemed to work well then suddenly one day problems would develop. The suggestion offered by Andrew Rodney was to always leave OS X preset to Default Settings.

It seems a lightroom template can store every setting in both of the driver dialog boxes, including things like paper thickness, but is seems to have problems with the presets..  I assume it's because the presets are variable and any little change can somehow throw them off.  As long as the driver preset remains at default settings, everything works perfectly.  I've printed hundred's of prints using just the Print button and never had an issue.

So two approaches, one reliant on the driver presets, and not on the LR templates so much, my way relies only on the lightroom templates.  My way is perhaps less flexible because I can't use the same LR template for 36" paper and 44" paper as can with the driver preset.  But when needing a new size or paper type, I usually start with a known template, and if it's a size I"m going to use, I'll save the new template in the appropriate printer/paper size folder.

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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2017, 02:35:19 AM »

I use windows and lightroom print presets. For a few mac using customers (for small prints on their own printer) i helped in setting up presets . And i used the "default" approach as well . It simply works.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2017, 02:24:52 PM »

Gave it another try today but to no avail.

Changed another setting than print profile and did the print preset update - everything works well. Which seem to indicate there are no permission issues (at least for updating the preset itself).
To be sure, I also tried to run LR as admin, still the same. LR is 6.8, standalone, on Win10.
Any other ideas to try out? Interesting that I can choose the print profile - this must mean it is properly installed. When selecting manually, it also works as intended when printing.
Just cannot save it with the print preset.

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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2017, 02:35:27 PM »

Did you try to remove the prefs file of Lightroom? Perhaps it got corrupted on the print presets.
Where does LR store your presets (or should store your presets)?
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2017, 03:00:19 PM »

Me too!
Just get QImage and remove the print module!
Oh , wait you cant remove it!
Do your best to ignore it, or change from LR....
Use C1 as a Dev and a stand alone DAM like PhotoSupreme or Acdsee. Works darn good and your organization is not locked into LR method. After years of LR, and now that it doesnt work with large files, I am forced to change, and so far not bad at all! Everything is faster when you dedicate an app for Dev and an app for DAM.   I think I have come full circle. See my posts about 8 or so years ago when I was saying the same thing! So it worked for a few years and then stops, and a possible move to CC, which makes it even more sense to just drop it as my main GoTo at this point, at least for me.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2017, 04:15:48 PM »

Yeah, let's use a dozen apps where one does the job.....
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2017, 05:27:11 PM »

Yeah, let's use a dozen apps where one does the job.....

........and for the most part, very well indeed.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2017, 05:36:54 PM »

Printing is not a function of an application that is designed to develop. Nor is asset management. LR does a good job at 1 maybe 2 of the things it pitches.
So 1+1+1 does not equal 12.

Maybe LR can do DAM and Dev in a slow painful process for large files, but lets leave print for artists in another app, as you can gang them and do serious printing.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2017, 12:15:29 AM »

...but lets leave print for artists in another app, as you can gang them and do serious printing.

Hum...are you saying since I use LR for printing, I'm neither an artist nor do serious printing?

It sounds like you are bending over backwards to convince yourself that your collection of apps will serve you better than Lightroom. You go right ahead and use your collection of apps with a primitive workflow and try to convince yourself you are doing the right thing. Some of us will keep using the best overall toolset for them.

BTW, I often use LR to deal with 80MP captures with no real slowdown-even though I'm using a 2014 Macbook Pro (my main system is in the process of being updated). So, some people find LR fast enough for work...
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2017, 12:07:54 PM »

Printing is not a function of an application that is designed to develop. Nor is asset management. LR does a good job at 1 maybe 2 of the things it pitches.
So 1+1+1 does not equal 12.

Maybe LR can do DAM and Dev in a slow painful process for large files, but lets leave print for artists in another app, as you can gang them and do serious printing.
Assuming it is only ment for develop. Which I disagree with.
 I use LR for printing and thusfar have not found a solution of some sort that is equal or better in quality and process speed. And this starting from the proper display of an image on my monitor. And yes I played with qimage and mirage.
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Re: i am so sick of the printing module...
« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2017, 12:24:33 PM »

Hum...are you saying since I use LR for printing, I'm neither an artist nor do serious printing?

It sounds like you are bending over backwards to convince yourself that your collection of apps will serve you better than Lightroom. You go right ahead and use your collection of apps with a primitive workflow and try to convince yourself you are doing the right thing. Some of us will keep using the best overall toolset for them.

BTW, I often use LR to deal with 80MP captures with no real slowdown-even though I'm using a 2014 Macbook Pro (my main system is in the process of being updated). So, some people find LR fast enough for work...


The OP mentioned he is "sick of the printing module.."
I am in agreement, and sharing my solution....

I'm saying that if it doesn't meet your artistic needs or work demand, there are other options that are relatively inexpensive and have great support.

For the past 3 or more updates and version, going into the Page Settings initiates the starting of a print job. Weird. It shouldn't do that. Luckily I useually use print preview, but it has botched up a number of large paper jobs.

Other than that, I like how you can do text overlays when needed, but not for multi image printing.

Qimage, you drop in the files and it works like a RIP and uses paper and image area very smartly. Also has a good set of basic adjustment tools that may need getting used to a bit, but work nice with very good results.

I'm a firm believer of dedicated applications, and there is nothing wrong with launching an app to do a task. I have learned that when an application does a lot of things, it is either porr at doing it, or something like speed or user friendly interface, or something suffers.

Some of us LR users are experiencing this exact issue. I still use folder structure organization. It keeps me from being locked into LR, and keeps things simple.
I like to KISS :-)

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