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New High End Workstation 2016
« on: November 02, 2016, 09:46:47 am »

hi,

it's finally time to send my old 6 year old workstation into retirement. It's still quite fast in raw power, but especially in terms of modern SSDs, USB and Memory it's lacking.

The main purpose is: Photoshop / Lightroom / Capture One / PtGui

Currently I'm running a dual Xeon System with an EVGA SR2 and 48GB Memory

I will use some older parts of the current system, but the rest is new.

These are:
- 512GB and 1TB SSD Crucial MX200
- LSI MegaRAID Card (Currently running with 10 drives in RAID 10, as I need more storage I will switch for the time being to RAID 6) I will add a Synology later with more storage.
- CPU cooler
- Case
- cables

Here is a selection of the stuff I plan to use. I'm happy for any hints or suggestions.

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=WL-724903

There are still two graphic cards in there as I'm still undecided.

What is missing is a PCIe card for the other two m2 drives. As far as I know I can't use the U.2 connector in any way with a m.2 drive?

I will also add a Network card for a faster network to connect to the NAS, as the typical 1Gb Ethernet is just to slow. Any ideas which to use ? 10Gb vs SPF+?


Thanks a lot and all the best
Christopher
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 05:21:46 pm »

I also am building a new computer - not what would be considered a workstation.  I've been doing this a long time and with all that I have read and built I have never considered anything more than 4 cores except for one build.  I have one computer that is a 6 core but I feel that even that is overkill for price/performance.  Consensus reports are that the difference between 4 cores and 6 cores is minimal and anything beyond 6 cores is unnecessary. 

Would like to hear your thoughts.......

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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 05:25:26 pm »

Well I know that C1 and PtGui can both use all of my current 12 cores (24threads)

It's true that adobe still haven't managed a lot to do more cores.

I think would loose quite a bit power with PtGui going back to a single 6core or 4cor cpu.


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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 05:47:48 pm »

Excellent motherboard!

The first M.2 SSD goes directly to the motherboard into a vertical position


The second M.2 SSD goes by the provided hyper M.2 x4 mini card.


For the third M.2 SSD buy one Asus hyper M.2 x4 mini card.
https://www.amazon.com/Asus-PCI3-0-3PIN-32GBIT-HYPERM-2X4MINICARD/product-reviews/B017YUCAXS
or one U.2 to M.2 adapter + cable
http://www.addonics.com/products/ad25m2u.2.php
https://www.amazon.com/Funtin-SFF-8639-Mini-SAS-SFF-8643-Cabling/dp/B01COOQ3MS

Check the manual what option gives better distribution of PCIe lanes.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/X99-DLX_II/X99-DLX-II_Guide-o.pdf
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/X99-DLX_II/DE166_X99-DELUXE_II_BIOS_Manual_WEB.pdf


Want 10GbE ? Get an ASUS X99-E-10G WS (need to buy two Asus hyper M.2 x4 mini card)
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7925/asus-x99-10g-ws-workstation-motherboard-review/index.html

BTW, I know it is the new Samsung 960 Pro, but space permitting I would add mini heat sinks
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/4670zl/m2_cooling_samsung_950_pro_etc/
At least to the controller chip
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/samsung-960-pro-m-2-1tb-nvme-ssd-review,7.html
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 06:12:59 pm »

(...)

I will also add a Network card for a faster network to connect to the NAS, as the typical 1Gb Ethernet is just to slow. Any ideas which to use ? 10Gb vs SPF+?

(...)

While SFP+ is currently the standard for data centres, it would IMO look a bit out of place in a SOHO environment. 10GBase-T (over copper Cat6a cables) is considered to be more future proof, even if it is currently more expensive to deploy than SFP+ and will consume a bit more energy per port than the older standard using optical fibre. That being said, newer NICs based on the Intel x550 chip and newer switches should address this part of the problem.

Speaking of 10GBase-T switches, if you only need two ports (one for the client and one for the NAS), there are now bargain switches for about $250, such as the Asus XG-U2008 announced here.

If you are not in a hurry, an even cheaper option would be to wait for 5GBase-T equipment which has recently been adopted as the IEEE Standard 802.3bz. It should start to be available any time soon and would be considerably cheaper than 10GBase-T. Also, 5 Gbps ought to be plenty fast for a single client.

Thinking about the NAS, even if some of the Synology NASes feature an optional 10GBase-T NIC, I would assume those to be heavily CPU limited for SMB connections using SAMBA, which is still unable to use more than one processor core. You might get better sequential reads and writes than an average 1 Gbps link would allow for large files but do not expect to get more than about 1.5 Gbps, unless you go for the high performance XS series.

If you need faster throughput and want to make good use of a faster network, you will need a custom NAS solution with a high 3+ GHz server CPU (Xeon E3 or Core i3), for instance based on FreeNAS. Use RAID 60 (in the FreeNAS world, this would be RAIDZ2 with at least two vdevs) and you should be able to transfer files at 3 to 4 Gbps, provided both client and server can sustain such speeds.

Cheers,

Fabien
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 08:44:06 pm »

I just updated the Motherboards again. There are three options or I would say two.

The Asus Workstation vs the Gigabyte.

As I see it:

The asus needs a Thunderbolt 3 card if I want to use it ?

The Gigabyt has the modern intel chip with Th3 but I would need the 10gb card.

With the deluxe if I wanted to use both I would need to separate extension cards.


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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 11:48:37 pm »

I just updated the Motherboards again. There are three options or I would say two.

The Asus Workstation vs the Gigabyte.

As I see it:

The asus needs a Thunderbolt 3 card if I want to use it ?
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The Gigabyt has the modern intel chip with Th3 but I would need the 10gb card.
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With the deluxe if I wanted to use both I would need to separate extension cards.
Need only the 10GbE card, the Thunderbolt card comes with the mobo.
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 06:24:50 am »

Finally I got time to finalize everything a bit more.

Here is the current update: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=WL-724903

I will go with the Gigabyte as I think Th3 will come in handy. Especially as I can use a dock on my desk and don't have to fumble around with cables com from the back if the computer.

The m.2 I will connect with M.2 and the u.2 adapter. As this does not take up a PCIe space and the Gigabyte supports full usage of both ports at full speed.

I dropped the graphic cards, as it looks my R9 R390 is one of the fastes one and I don't see any others going a lot faster. I am thinking on adding a SECOND card R9 R390. As I understand C1 uses every card in a system.

Now last is the NAS question and network card, but it has some time. So are there any new developments on the horizon ? As I understand SFP+ and 10GBase-T offer the same speed. 10GBase-T is wire based as the "normal" RJ-45 cables. In terms of distance 10GBase-T is much more flexible. SFP is cheaper on a short base correct?

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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 11:23:33 am »

Next year AMD will launch a very fast OpenCL GPU, the Vega chip.

I do not like the position of the M.2 SSD in the Gigabyte GA-X99-Designare EX.
Under the hot GPU and no space for heat sink.
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 02:39:40 pm »

I will also add a Network card for a faster network to connect to the NAS, as the typical 1Gb Ethernet is just to slow. Any ideas which to use ? 10Gb vs SPF+?

the coder from the team behind libraw, fastrawviewer & rawdigger uses now Intel X540-T2 10G dual port RJ45 cards ( off ebay @ a little more than $100 a piece from China, they do work ) and he has a lot of raws & etc to deal with , he considered & used a lot of different solutions over several years to handle his data volume ( blog.lexa.ru , you might need to use translate.google.com ) ... his current configuration is a DIY NAS with X540-T2 inside
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 03:57:16 pm »

(...)

Now last is the NAS question and network card, but it has some time. So are there any new developments on the horizon ? As I understand SFP+ and 10GBase-T offer the same speed. 10GBase-T is wire based as the "normal" RJ-45 cables. In terms of distance 10GBase-T is much more flexible. SFP is cheaper on a short base correct?

Yes, this is correct.

For more information about this, I recommend having a look at this forum thread 10Gbe primer. Part of the information in this thread is outdated, there are better switches than what was recommended in late 2014, but this should give you an idea about possible deployments. All of this is in the context of FreeNAS, hence the need for drivers for FreeBSD and the preference for Intel NICs.

As stated in the link, if you are buying used NICs, be sure to check that the cards are actually genuine parts. $100 a piece from China for an Intel X540-T2 seems a bit cheap, but who knows? I would also not deploy anything older than X540 on new hardware to keep energy consumption at a reasonable level.

Cheers,

Fabien
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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 05:12:28 pm »

At the beginning of the article, Ian Cutress gives a nice introduction about the state of 10Gbit Ethernet http://www.anandtech.com/show/10818/the-asus-x99-e-10g-ws-motherboard-review-10g-networking-intel-x550-at2


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Re: New High End Workstation 2016
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 07:12:24 pm »

$100 a piece from China for an Intel X540-T2 seems a bit cheap, but who knows?

you can always return for refund - you are buyer and hence protected enough really by ebay... again the blog.lexa.ru has a discussion as to why they (sourced from there) are cheap, but genuine (and they are not used)


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