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« on: July 05, 2006, 04:13:00 am »

This is probably common knowledge but unknown to me. I have doubts about the quality of the image if an extender is used. So, is it worth getting say the 2.0 extender for the 70-200 2.8L IS. How much is the image quality going to be compromised?

Anyone a fan of extenders?

 
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 09:04:22 am »

Not a fan on any of the zoom's, but pretty decent on the 300 2.8 IS (the only prime I've tested it on).  FWIW here are some very casual comparisons of 70-200, 100-400 and 300 2.8 with various combinations of extenders.  Read the notes at the top of the page first.  These are 100% crops, but you have to right click and "save as" and then review in eg: photoshop.

http://www.timgrayphotography.com/gallerie...n300/index.html
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 11:28:33 am »

The 1.4xII extender on the 70-200 2.8L IS gets you to 280mm and causes minimal image degradation on my 1DS2.  The trade-off is usually whether I can afford to lose a stop under the existing light conditions.

The 2.0 extender does cause noticeable problems as print size increases and you lose two stops of light.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 06:07:40 pm »

[attachment=788:attachment]Canon 20D with 70-200 f2.8 IS with 1/4 extender. Subject at about 50 yards.  Hand Held.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 06:17:00 pm »

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[attachment=788:attachment]Canon 20D with 70-200 f2.8 IS with 1/4 extender. Subject at about 50 yards.  Hand Held.
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Thanks for the replies. Davaglo, unfortunately I am unable to open the your photo.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2006, 06:59:01 pm »

Sorry you can't see an example. A picture is only worth a thousand words if you can see it.

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 09:14:39 pm »

My opinion about extenders is that if you need them to get the shot, then use them. I recently returned from a photo safari in Tanzania with Andy Biggs, and I used a 2x extender with a 500mm lens for all sorts of subjects. Yeah, they may be a little soft, but I got the shot! That's what counts in my book. And I'm still going to be able to enlarge to 16x20 and retain the integrity of the image. That's good enough for me considering that I shoot 8x10 large format all the time at home.

As for using either the 1.4x or 2x on a 70-200mm, go for it! The extender is a couple hundred bucks and will be another tool in your arsenal. To me, that's invaluable and will only help you get the shot.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2006, 04:56:48 pm »

I use the 1.4x extensively on my 200 f/2.8 and 300 f/4. Very very pleased with the results and it's one of my most used pieces of kit. I've not got the 2x so can't comment on it really. I'll get it at some point but don't think it will get used anywhere near as much as the 1.4x.

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 04:09:04 am »

I'm not completely happy with the result on my first test.
It seems the optics have some problem with bright spots.

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Canon 20D
EF 70-200mm F2.8L IS
Extender II

The image is taken hand-held at 400mm, F7.1 IS, ISO 400, 1/2000.

Anyone other notice this?
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2006, 04:45:28 am »

I have both the Canon and Sigma 1.4x extenders, and I actually find the Sigma to have less distortion and higher resolution corners while being very nearly as good in the center. It's also smaller, lighter, cheaper, and - for those that care - black.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2006, 09:48:44 am »

Dont count on the 2x for good image quality, the 1.4x however is excellent ive used it with the 70-200mmL and 300mm f4L IS.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2006, 11:32:09 am »

There's a useful book that I think is called Canon EF Lenswork III, useful because it contains MTF charts for most of Canon's lens range together with comparison MTF charts with both the x1.4 and x2.0 extenders. Its only flaw is that there's a couple of unfortunate errors that can trip up the unwary.

It clearly shows that image degradation with extenders is far from uniform across all lenses. This shouldn't come as a surprise, lens manufacturers have long talked about extenders being optimised for specific lenses, but looking at these MTF charts shows just how marked the effect is. One example, and this is from memory so don't take this as gospel, was the 70-200 2.8 in the IS and non-IS versions. The IS version has the performance edge without an extender, but with either the 1.4 or 2.0 extenders then the advantage goes to the non-IS version.

I think that your style of composition will also influence your satisfaction. Quality with extenders seems to fall away more quickly as you move from the centre to the edges (which would tend to support the previous post about preferring primes to zooms with extenders), so if you usually compose centrally then you're more likely to find extenders worthwhile, conversely if you often place critical detail out towards the edges then an extender may prove a false economy.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2006, 12:48:41 pm »

I frequently use the 1.4 with my 70-200 IS and 300 f/4 IS. I do not get the same high-quality results with the 2x, so I choose my kit for any shoot with that in mind.

The 300 f/4 IS with the 1.4 on a 1.6 crop camera (20D in this case) makes for one richeous handheld rig. Witnesseth...

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2006, 02:36:34 pm »

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There's a useful book that I think is called Canon EF Lenswork III, useful because it contains MTF charts for most of Canon's lens range together with comparison MTF charts with both the x1.4 and x2.0 extenders. Its only flaw is that there's a couple of unfortunate errors that can trip up the unwary.

It clearly shows that image degradation with extenders is far from uniform across all lenses. This shouldn't come as a surprise, lens manufacturers have long talked about extenders being optimised for specific lenses, but looking at these MTF charts shows just how marked the effect is. One example, and this is from memory so don't take this as gospel, was the 70-200 2.8 in the IS and non-IS versions. The IS version has the performance edge without an extender, but with either the 1.4 or 2.0 extenders then the advantage goes to the non-IS version.

I think that your style of composition will also influence your satisfaction. Quality with extenders seems to fall away more quickly as you move from the centre to the edges (which would tend to support the previous post about preferring primes to zooms with extenders), so if you usually compose centrally then you're more likely to find extenders worthwhile, conversely if you often place critical detail out towards the edges then an extender may prove a false economy.
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So it may help to turn of the IS function when using the extender then.....
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2006, 02:31:19 am »

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So it may help to turn of the IS function when using the extender then.....

Not really, they're two completely different optical designs.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2006, 11:26:02 pm »

Personally I would not bother to stick an extender to a zoom. If the lens designer thought he could extend the zoom range and still maintain the image quality he has set for that lens, he would have extended the zoom range. As for the superteles they also vary. My interests are such that I need the performance with the lens wide open. The 1.4x does an excellent job with the 200mm/2.8L II but not the 2x (simple cropping of the image at 280mm seems to be just as good). But my test was done with a 20D that had its antialiaising filter removed, so the 2x may still be useful for a stock DSLR. On the 600mm/4L IS I find the performance very satisfactory with either extender. Stacked extenders? You decide (100% enlargement with the stacked, 280% with none, etc, stock 1Ds):
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2006, 12:01:42 am »

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Personally I would not bother to stick an extender to a zoom. If the lens designer thought he could extend the zoom range and still maintain the image quality he has set for that lens, he would have extended the zoom range.
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I use TCs, even stacked with my 100-400IS.  The lens is clearly sharp enough; the only problem (besides the slow optics) is the bokeh; it is not stellar without a TC, and it gets worse with them, so some kinds of background detail get a little ugly OOF.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2006, 01:04:01 am »

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I use TCs, even stacked with my 100-400IS.  The lens is clearly sharp enough;
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This clearly says something about the resolving power of sensors in relation to lenses. There is, in my view, a misconception that lenses are the weak link and that more pixel density serves no purpose.

The reality is, both more pixel density and more lens resolution serve a purpose. However, if you can't get more lens resolution, more pixel density will still result in more resolution.

This idea of sensors out-resolving lenses needs a critical examination.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2006, 02:21:47 am »

Some new tests with the EF extender X2

Eurofighter R/C modelplane:
hand-held 70-200 f2.8L IS @ 400mm f5.6 1/2000 @ ISO 200


The moon:
tripod 70-200 f2.8L IS @ 400mm f7.1 1/1250 @ ISO 100
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2006, 06:45:31 am »

I have both the Canon 1.4x and 2x extenders that I use on my Canon 100-400 IS and 70-200 f2.8 IS lenses.

The 70-200+1.4x is as sharp as the 100-400 alone. I don't use the 2x much as you lose 2 stops and the images are definitely softer.

When I need the reach, I use my 20D body to get the 1.6 mag factor with the 1.4x extender and either of the above lenses.

When I travel on vacation, I take my 1DsMkII, 1.4x extender, and 70-200 lens. The 70-200 is awesomely sharp and the IS works really well. This combo yields excellent results.

BTW, my "normal" lense is the new Canon 24-105 f4 IS.

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