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Dinarius

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2016, 04:11:35 AM »

A quick Google produced this article on Work Stations.

Can someone please explain the importance of ECC RAM (which comes up a lot in the above article) and whether or not the RAM I've chosen fits the bill?

Any other thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

D.
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2016, 04:47:12 AM »

When I built my system a few years ago the downside of ECC was being slower, more expensive, needed different workstation/server motherboard and CPU. So the total cost was way higher for a slower system. ECC was concidered for 24/7 servers where bits might flip after months of uptime. I built my rig from consumer parts but I have been very happy with it. Still going strong.
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2016, 05:05:31 AM »

Saying it quite roughly... ECC has a verification code attached to each page (small portion of data of ram) that allows the processor to verify that what it reads or writes to the ram is ok... so it will help you to have more stable system... since now it is quite common to build Xeon workstations it is becoming quite common RAM...

In theory it should give you a more stable system for a price and also it is going to be probably slower than non-ecc memory... as Tarbjörn said, if you buy good non-ecc memory, it should be strange that you ave problems


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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2016, 01:45:56 PM »

http://blog.grabcad.com/blog/2015/08/13/why-ecc-ram-matters/

Seems to me that the key line in the above blog is...."If you don’t mind rebooting, you don’t need ECC."

The old DELL I'm replacing has ground along with hardly a whimper for years. The laptop I'm typing this message on is like a Porsche by comparison.

I just everything to be effortless - I've earned it!  8)

If I need the odd reboot, then so be it.

Thanks all.

Will be back before I take the final jump on Black Friday - November 25th.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2016, 11:14:24 AM »

I haven't been able to address this issue and, in terms of what I was trying to do, Black Friday was a bit of a damp squib anyway.

So, I've drawn up a new parts list.

Note the missing Motherboard and the added M.2 drives. When I put in one of my chosen mother boards, I get an error/incompatibility message about M.2 and SATA - i.e. losing one SATA  when a second M.2 is in use.

So, is there a motherboard that will cover this?

Or, should I just have one M.2 and one regular SSD?

Any other thoughts on the spec?

Thanks.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2016, 06:22:33 PM »

On the current socket 1151 motherboards each M.2 enabled takes some SATA/mSATA ports.
Check the motherboard manual for details and proper configuration.

The EVO 850 SSD M.2 is not the fast PCIe, but SATA...
If it is to use SATA, better the SATA 850 Pro.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2016, 07:32:50 AM »

On the current socket 1151 motherboards each M.2 enabled takes some SATA/mSATA ports.
Check the motherboard manual for details and proper configuration.

The EVO 850 SSD M.2 is not the fast PCIe, but SATA...
If it is to use SATA, better the SATA 850 Pro.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review

Pictus,

Thanks.

I have addressed the incompatibility issues and added an MB in a new list.

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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2016, 06:51:35 PM »

Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.

BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2016, 01:18:48 PM »

Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.

BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes

Pictus, thanks again.

Will change Plextors in spec when back at office.

Kaby Lake is interesting, though those commenting on it in the article you posted are almost all underwhelmed. I think I would have close to a Porsche with a keyboard for about €2k with the build I've currently specced. No more spinning wheels and it will move around 1Gb files in Photoshop in the blink of an eye, hopefully.

D.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2016, 07:51:22 AM »

Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.

BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes

Pictus,

I have edited the spec.

1. Are these the Plextors you're referring to?

2. I'm still getting a compatibility warning. Is this a problem? Or, given the fact that the 2 x 4TBs will only ever been used when I am a loading RAW files and saving edited TIFFs, does it really matter, and can I ignore this warning? While, if I put in say a normal 2.5" SSD, the warnings disappear. But, I presume that I would have greater speed with the PeGN's with the OS (on one) and Photoshop (on the other.)?

3. Is my MB overkill?

Thanks.

D.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2016, 12:16:30 PM »

The list is empty, warnings?
Maybe it is this http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
No problem as you will be using the UEFI to boot to the M.2 NVMe SSD.
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2016, 12:49:49 PM »

The list is empty, warnings?
Maybe it is this http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
No problem as you will be using the UEFI to boot to the M.2 NVMe SSD.

Oops! Not sure what happened there.

Here is the parts list.

Note the Compatibility Check alert at the top of the list.

Thanks.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2016, 01:33:01 PM »

Note: The parts list linked in my previous post loads perfectly (with Compatibility Check error) on my computer, but not on my iPhone, for some reason.

Just in case anyone was trying to view the list via a phone.

Thanks.

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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2016, 08:24:44 PM »

The list still empty...   :P
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2016, 08:58:15 PM »

The list still empty...   :P

Dinarius, you are sharing the general link to that site, which shows your parts list to you, on your computer, but anyone else will see nothing. (Or, they'll see their own build if they've recently used the same site.)

To share with others, you have to use the "permalink" available near the top of the build's page. In this case: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/dtLsYJ
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2016, 04:02:27 AM »

Thanks again for the replies and apologies for the link mess up.

Here is the new parts list.

I've changed the SSDs and the video card. But, I've changed the card to one based on rating. I have no interest in swappable fans.

I like some things about this build, including his reasoning on the card.

This compatibility note is still bothering me; "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6Gb/s ports are disabled." So, just to be sure I'm understanding this correctly: The MB I've chosen has 6 SATA ports. The SSDs take two each (correct?) and the HDs will take one each of the remaining two. So. that's all 6 accounted for and used up - am I right?

Close to closure now, I hope!   8)

Thanks again.

D.
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2016, 11:23:57 AM »

You are welcome, the swappable fans makes very easy to clean the GPU...

All Z170 motherboard shares the M.2 with something...
That is why needs to read the manual or some good review...
The Z170 Classified have a very good implementation, but sadly only one slot for M.2 is capable
to receive the SSD.
From http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-z170-classified-motherboard,4315-2.html
"The Z170 Classified has two M.2 slots, or maybe just one, as the second slot is “Key-E” type.
M.2 was supposed to fix the confusion over mSATA and mPCIe, but splitting the M.2 market between
Key B and Key M for storage, plus Key A and Key E for regular PCIe devices, seems designed only
to replace one form of customer confusion with another. While the naming convention leave much
to be desired, EVGA has done its best to describe these interfaces within its manual."

You need:
2 M.2 4.x slots (both must run at 4x)
3 SATA3 6.0 Gb/s for 2 HDs + Blu-ray

Look at the Z170 Extreme7+  https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/Tx648d/asrock-motherboard-z170extreme7
http://www.eteknix.com/asrock-z170-extreme-7-lga-1151-motherboard-review/all/1
http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z170%20Extreme7+.pdf
using 2 M.2 4x SSDs will disable 4 Intel SATA ports leaving you with 2 Intel SATA ports + 4 ASMedia SATA
ports(no RAID and maybe no optical devices). https://rog.asus.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28796.html
If you plan to RAID(Intel) the HDs can only use the 2 remaining Intel SATA ports, the problem is that the ASMedia
SATA ports may not work with the Blu-ray, so must use one Intel SATA port to the Blu-ray and the HDs to
the ASMedia SATA ports, but with no "hardware" RAID.

The new Z270 chiptset may enable you to use two M.2 SSD 4x and 4 Intel  SATA Ports at the same time.
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Re: New PC build for photo and video - what do you think of the spec?
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2016, 03:04:41 AM »

Pictus,

Thanks again.

You think I should wait for Z270?

There will be no RAID.

That MB looks interesting.

Thanks.

D.
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