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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2016, 06:36:54 AM »

With great pleasure.

It is quite simple in fact, I just try to avoid as much as possible owning 2 lenses in the same focal length.

I won't sell the Sigma until I test the Nikkor of course, but I expect the Nikkor to be in the same ballpark non shifted considering its modest maxim aperture. My copy of the 24mm T/S non shifted was outstanding.

When maximum image quality is needed, I do stitch anyway.

Cheers,
Bernard
Ok, my copy of the 24mm PCE was not that good @ infinity- indoors it was outstanding ( curved field of focus)
If money is not an issue i understand your choice, still, there is also the 15mm zeiss...
( a less complicated mechanism- so more steady and reliable perhaps)

Looking forward to see your findings with the 19mm... especially maximum shifted

PK
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2016, 09:52:33 AM »





Cheers,
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2016, 07:30:58 PM »

Bernard , thanks for posting...

colors look very nice

it shows me a few things:

i do no see any vignetting in the sky...? did you correct it?
- sharp- unsharp looks very smooth for 19mm ( did you use a bit of tilt in the leaves picture..?









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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2016, 07:52:15 PM »

i do no see any vignetting in the sky...? did you correct it?
- sharp- unsharp looks very smooth for 19mm ( did you use a bit of tilt in the leaves picture..?

No, I didn't correct vignetting at all. I believe that this image was shot with a slight rise, like 2 or 3mm. That was shot at f8 though.

Yes, the leaves image was shot with probably 2-3 degrees of tilt.

Overall the lens seems well behaved. The extreme corners with 10-12 mm of shift do of course show weaker corners when examined at 100%, but it is still pretty good when looking at prints. In the center the image quality seems nearly Otus like.

The lens is easy to use thanks to the independent shift/tilt action (something Canon T/S users have been benefiting from for years), build quality is second to none. The lens cap is great.

The only issue is going to be flare as feared.

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Bernard
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2016, 05:52:49 AM »

About flare-
The 14-24 suffers from it as we know.

If it is the kind of flare that can be helped by using your hand to keep the sun out flare- it is ok with me,
But the 14-24 also showed flare in an other way:
For instance a close photo in the evening of a building with large lit windows. ( so the lens has to solve this problem on its own)
This photo took me some work because of that.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2016, 08:46:05 AM »

How are the corners when fully shifted, on a 36Mp sensor?
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2016, 07:03:30 PM »

How are the corners when fully shifted, on a 36Mp sensor?

Not perfect when looked at 100% on screen, but fairly decent in actual prints.

However I have only tried so far hand held on trees with moving leaves located a bit too close, I need to try on a building.

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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2016, 08:03:53 PM »

and i am curious to see the kind of field of sharpness it has...

Ideally for my purpose it would be rounded at close distance up to 5 meter for interiors and flat at infinity for landscape/ external architecture.

I still did not see the lens appear in the Netherlands to check it out myself.

BTW
lens rentals checked out the new 105mm (101mm) lens and think it is stellar.
Nikon seems to have found the way up.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2016, 03:53:41 AM »

Bernard,

             Do you know if this lens behaves the same as other Nikon PC lenses and only allows aperture control via electronic communication?

Would love to have a wide angle lens that enabled movements to be used on my Hcam master and also allowed aperture control.  This is possible with normal Nikon G lenses and an adapter but not with the PC lenses right?

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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2016, 07:58:53 AM »

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison at some stage, against the Canon TS-E 17 and TS-E 24, all on the same body (the A7r2 being the logical choice), to see how they all hold up in terms of image quality.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2016, 08:05:26 AM »

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison at some stage, against the Canon TS-E 17 and TS-E 24, all on the same body (the A7r2 being the logical choice), to see how they all hold up in terms of image quality.

Without having the 19mm or even looked at it i already know it will be the better lens in this comparison.

why?
It is the latest made TS lens, 1.5x more expensive than the Canons and Nikon knows it has to do better than Canon or this 19mm has no buyers.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2016, 07:15:36 PM »

Without having the 19mm or even looked at it i already know it will be the better lens in this comparison.

why?
It is the latest made TS lens, 1.5x more expensive than the Canons and Nikon knows it has to do better than Canon or this 19mm has no buyers.

No, it doesn't have to do better than the Canons. It only has to do better than the previous Nikons.

The Canons won't fit onto a D810. If you want to use it on a Nikon body, it'll have to be a Nikon lens.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2016, 08:54:00 PM »

No, it doesn't have to do better than the Canons. It only has to do better than the previous Nikons.

The Canons won't fit onto a D810. If you want to use it on a Nikon body, it'll have to be a Nikon lens.

I don't think that Nikon has given up trying to convince Canon users to switch over. In fact I think that this remains their main objective.

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Bernard
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2016, 11:21:35 AM »

My 19 PC arrived this morning and I made a short test at infinity
and compared it with the Nikkor 14-24 mm and the Schneider Super Digitar 28XL with P40+.
I'm quite happy with this lens for the moment. After some jobs I can tell more. Until now, I didn't recognize a real
interference with the D800. It's better than with the 24 PC.

This is the link to download the RAWs as EIPs for C1.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hp5soyquuzqn6m0/AAAtTkk3zCKL0jRbbkekwd2qa?dl=0

I hope this gives you some information about this lens.
On the pictures below you can see how I made the tests. All shots where taken at F11. (That's what I need for architecture.)
Regards,
Ben

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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2016, 12:06:17 PM »

Here is another picture (packed as EIP) with 12 mm shift up.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9yuynnu0hxs4g87/Nikkor19PC_12mmup.eip?dl=0

The distortion is visible and strong.
Sharpness is ok, CA is also strong.
But it's a 19 mm with 12 mm shift.....so I think it performs very good.



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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2016, 09:24:00 AM »

Here is another picture (packed as EIP) with 12 mm shift up.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9yuynnu0hxs4g87/Nikkor19PC_12mmup.eip?dl=0

The distortion is visible and strong.
Sharpness is ok, CA is also strong.
But it's a 19 mm with 12 mm shift.....so I think it performs very good.

hi Ben,

I do not have do not rawdigger, would prefer to download the nef file.
Just calculated 19mm means 87º horizontal  and with 12mm shift it is 115º
vertical 12 mm shift means 103º  so that is a lot.

Must say that it appears to be very difficult to make a perfect wideangle lens;
Even the Otus 28mm is not perfect. (Lenstip.com)
My solution is to make a stitch if i can and if not use the 14-24mm lens. I use a D810.
But if you use it on a MF back the 19mm is probably the best solution for obtaining the highest quality one shot ultrawide images.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2016, 12:20:23 PM »

would prefer to download the nef file.

Voilà,
here some NEFs from my other balcony.
PC 19 vs. 14-24
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/laws1xkh6jsv8ba/AACwVURNdH34RqlHMqdUGbjLa?dl=0

The PC19 performs a little better than the 14-24 at 19mm.
The PC19 stays very good until about 10mm horizontal shift.

This time I didn't shoot the Schneider Super Digitar 28XL with P40+ comparison,
it played in my first test in an other league.


Regards,
Ben

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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2016, 08:06:04 PM »

Voilà,
here some NEFs from my other balcony.
PC 19 vs. 14-24
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/laws1xkh6jsv8ba/AACwVURNdH34RqlHMqdUGbjLa?dl=0

The PC19 performs a little better than the 14-24 at 19mm.
The PC19 stays very good until about 10mm horizontal shift.

This time I didn't shoot the Schneider Super Digitar 28XL with P40+ comparison,
it played in my first test in an other league.


Regards,
Ben

Thanks for sharing;


I am not disappointed; it seems to be a fine lens.
I think a d810 would improve the image a bit more.
Also F8 instead of F11 ( not sure if that is better 12mm shifted )
And i always check focus @ f8 with live view from corner to corner- but in this case the focus seems very uniform
regards, PK

PS just calculated: A 19mm lens with image circle of 60mm... !
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2016, 04:06:28 AM »

Thanks for the .NEFs. Looks good to me! Some CA that is to be expected I guess.
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Re: PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2016, 08:05:04 AM »

From these samples it is clear this is a very nice lens indeed.  Its holding it microcontrast out quite a way into the edges of the frame when fully shifted.  Significantly better than than the 14-24 at 19mm across the frame. Impressed. Its a bit little better to the right at full shift than the left but I have not yet found a TS-E or PC-E lens that performs perfectly uniformly when fully shifted.

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