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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2016, 05:55:21 pm »

Dave, in earlier versions of the OS you could enter

     defaults -currentHost write com.apple.ImageCapture disableHotPlug -bool YES

into Terminal and it would have permanent and universal effect.

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Or you could just go to the Image Capture App in the Applications folder with the device connected and set it to do nothing.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2016, 11:28:30 pm »

I've read the terminal command no longer worked with El Capitan.  Regarding using Image Capture, similar problem to Photos, sort of works, but you have to do it with every card, and reformatting the card sometime resets it.

It might not be a changed that warrants upgrading or not, I'm just reporting something new in Sierra that seems to be an improvement for those of us who use their Macs with applications other than Photos.

As I mentioned, I've been using Sierra daily for a couple of weeks, and had zero issues.  will be upgrading my Mac Pro over the weekend.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2016, 11:33:00 pm »

I up dated my MacBook Pro a week or so ago and have no issues using it with a Leaf Aptus II. I really haven't noticed anything different with how the computer works at all.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2016, 03:55:58 am »

Or you could just go to the Image Capture App in the Applications folder with the device connected and set it to do nothing.

But, as we have discussed, that has effect only until you reformat the card.

I've read the terminal command no longer worked with El Capitan.

It works for me with El Cap.

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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2016, 05:20:04 am »

Thanks for the tips guys. I do reformat the card every time it goes back in the camera so I think terminal would be the possible solution.

Wayne, will you be doing a clean install or upgrade?

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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2016, 05:29:42 am »

Guys,

 I urge you not to move production machines to Sierra.

 Wait it out, until a sufficient database on the issues builds up so they can be Googled, and give devs time to catch up with their fixes.

 Most of my consultant friends are now really unhappy about new Apple software due to stuff breaking. My own Octave virtual machine server for Mac is broken so hard I don't (yet) know how to fix it, I think I will need to budget a week's time at least, and I cannot imagine what "real" developers can be going through as they struggle to keep their apps updated. A lot of stuff will fall through the cracks for a few months as devs struggle to remedy the damage, and in particular any workflow that involves AppleScript. 

 There was a time when devs tried to get apps working on a new system for release. This now seems to be an unrealistic target as everything depends on everything else, some of it open source from independent teams outside Apple, some like printer drivers commercial, so updating becomes an iterative process, you fix what you can, wait until others do the same, rinse and repeat. And let us not forget that each developer needs to bring his own dev machine back into a productive state, or rather set up a new installation and get it to work. As a result it takes about a year for a new system environment to settle down to productive stability.

 Again, I urge you not to update any machine you rely on for income.

Edmund

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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2016, 06:33:04 am »

Thanks for the tips guys. I do reformat the card every time it goes back in the camera so I think terminal would be the possible solution.
Dave

Just cut and paste the posted code into terminal, works perfectly to solve that problem, forever, well until they build in the next irritation.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2016, 07:00:35 am »

ColorNavigator, the calibration software for Eizo displays does not work with Sierra and Eizo has issued an update for Sierra yet.


ColorNavigator updated for Sierra today.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2016, 11:10:58 am »

I'm not finding any issues.  I keep a clone drive on all of my computers...well except for my wifes Macbook, she never backs anything up.   So far I've updated two Retina laptops, a Macbook Air, a Macbook, a Mac Mini and my hackintosh.  All are working prefectly and I've not seen any problems yet.  Time will tell I suppose but so far so good.  I have yet to update a 15 Macbook Pro and another Mac mini as a safety valve :)
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2016, 12:14:06 pm »

Guys,

 I urge you not to move production machines to Sierra.

 Wait it out, until a sufficient database on the issues builds up so they can be Googled, and give devs time to catch up with their fixes.

 Most of my consultant friends are now really unhappy about new Apple software due to stuff breaking. My own Octave virtual machine server for Mac is broken so hard I don't (yet) know how to fix it, I think I will need to budget a week's time at least, and I cannot imagine what "real" developers can be going through as they struggle to keep their apps updated. A lot of stuff will fall through the cracks for a few months as devs struggle to remedy the damage, and in particular any workflow that involves AppleScript. 

 There was a time when devs tried to get apps working on a new system for release. This now seems to be an unrealistic target as everything depends on everything else, some of it open source from independent teams outside Apple, some like printer drivers commercial, so updating becomes an iterative process, you fix what you can, wait until others do the same, rinse and repeat. And let us not forget that each developer needs to bring his own dev machine back into a productive state, or rather set up a new installation and get it to work. As a result it takes about a year for a new system environment to settle down to productive stability.

 Again, I urge you not to update any machine you rely on for income.

Edmund

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I'm not attacking, and not sure what issues those that are having problems are, but most of us use Lr, Ps, C1, and maybe a few other programs, as well as some color management software.  I profiled two displays yesterday with i1Profiler, my friend and I have been running Sierra since it's release on two laptops and one 5k iMac and using this software extensively.  Zero issues.

Certainly there are users out there which are involved in far different software than a typical photographer, and it behooves them to verify Sierra didn't break those.  For photographers that might mean Affinity, some add ons or other packages Like Helicon Focus (which works).

So while your advice to be cautious is certainly wise, there seems to be enough anecdotal evidence that Apple didn't really change anything that would affect the typical photographers workflow and related software is working fine. On the other hand, other than some nice moves to help Apple devices interact more seamlessly and the addition of a functional voice command system for the computer, there isn't a lot of compelling reason to upgrade, so waiting means there won't be much to miss.  (of course there are several under the hood enhancements, and improved security is one, which might be a reason to consider it ... )

Upgrading is always a little bit of a risk, and I'm sure there are those who will install and find issues, but most of those will be related to something in their particular setup, not an overall problem, and waiting most likely won't change that. As for me, I didn't do a clean install, and plan on not doing a clean install on my Mac Pro as well. Both of those machines were clean installs with Yosemite.

One change I did notice which affected my friend, with Sierra the Desktop and Documents folder can be set to be stored on iCloud.  Perhaps a nice feature if you use more than one Mac for some, but personally if I need something shared between two machines I use Dropbox, and really don't need those folders shared or stored on iCloud.  Somehow when he installed, that feature was turned on, in my case it wasn't.  Apparently he answered one question differently than I did during the installation.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2016, 03:23:23 pm »

So you put up a Colorchecker Tiff file from Babelcolor, and checked the preview in the Finder, the one in Preview, the one in Safari, the one in Photoshop and the one in Lightroom, and you printed one from each program and they all matched each other and your original purchased Colorchecker card? I'm asking because I just ran some color management on someone's El Capitan system and it was not exactly obvious what was matching what. In fact it reminded me of an ICC meeting some years ago where we ran probe profiles on all the machines we had, together with an Apple engineer,  ending up with files displayed in completely strange ways on each machine. By the time I was done last week, PS matched the display (Basiccolor Display, i1Pro2) with the print with PS applying my profile (DTP 70, Monaco). The rest ...

But actually, my warning is not about color management, it is about generally keeping a functioning environment up and running; I don't think Sierra is mature yet - personal opinion, freedom of speech yadda yadda.

Edmund

Ps. I recommend Basiccolor Display, it is an excellent piece of software. Just use the trial if you cannot be bothered to reprofile frequently ...

I'm not attacking, and not sure what issues those that are having problems are, but most of us use Lr, Ps, C1, and maybe a few other programs, as well as some color management software.  I profiled two displays yesterday with i1Profiler, my friend and I have been running Sierra since it's release on two laptops and one 5k iMac and using this software extensively.  Zero issues.

Certainly there are users out there which are involved in far different software than a typical photographer, and it behooves them to verify Sierra didn't break those.  For photographers that might mean Affinity, some add ons or other packages Like Helicon Focus (which works).

So while your advice to be cautious is certainly wise, there seems to be enough anecdotal evidence that Apple didn't really change anything that would affect the typical photographers workflow and related software is working fine. On the other hand, other than some nice moves to help Apple devices interact more seamlessly and the addition of a functional voice command system for the computer, there isn't a lot of compelling reason to upgrade, so waiting means there won't be much to miss.  (of course there are several under the hood enhancements, and improved security is one, which might be a reason to consider it ... )

Upgrading is always a little bit of a risk, and I'm sure there are those who will install and find issues, but most of those will be related to something in their particular setup, not an overall problem, and waiting most likely won't change that. As for me, I didn't do a clean install, and plan on not doing a clean install on my Mac Pro as well. Both of those machines were clean installs with Yosemite.

One change I did notice which affected my friend, with Sierra the Desktop and Documents folder can be set to be stored on iCloud.  Perhaps a nice feature if you use more than one Mac for some, but personally if I need something shared between two machines I use Dropbox, and really don't need those folders shared or stored on iCloud.  Somehow when he installed, that feature was turned on, in my case it wasn't.  Apparently he answered one question differently than I did during the installation.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2016, 09:35:52 pm »

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Ps. I recommend Basiccolor Display, it is an excellent piece of software. Just use the trial if you cannot be bothered to reprofile frequently ...

I've never heard of this software. How would you compare it to DisplayCal?
https://displaycal.net

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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2016, 10:21:02 pm »

So you put up a Colorchecker Tiff file from Babelcolor, and checked the preview in the Finder, the one in Preview, the one in Safari, the one in Photoshop and the one in Lightroom, and you printed one from each program and they all matched each other and your original purchased Colorchecker card?

Nope.  I used Lr, Ps, C1, printed to my Epson p9000 and p800. I saw no issues with colors, Bill Atkinsons test page looked and printed normally, matching stored copies of the print for comparison. Everything printed as expected and my display/print match was as expected. I also used i1Profiler to calibrate my displays, again with expected results and no issues. I also did the other things a non power user might do, web browsing, email, a few minor spreadsheets, etc.  No issues.

Personally I don't care much what things look like in the Finder, Safari, or Preview.  However, things appear normal, but I've never checked to see if they "matched" printed output because I never print from them.  They look as I expect them to when I upload them.

As I said, I did the typical things I usually do, and I assume what I do daily is what most photographers do with their computers, including a little web browsing and email.  I don't program, code, create websites, manage servers, do graphic design, or anything else other than work on my images and print them.  Those that do other stuff, they need to check out that stuff for themselves.

Every release causes some consternation for a few users because something unique in their system or situation or some piece of software that isn't very well supported anymore and needs an update.  Interestingly I don't think any of the programs I use required an upgrade although it could be recent updates already addressed issues. Epson drivers are fine.  That may not be true for Canon drivers or other software packages, so each user has to figure that out for themselves or hope there are a few like me who run two machines and have tried that software and report their results (good or bad).
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2016, 04:15:35 am »


Edmund
Ps. I recommend Basiccolor Display, it is an excellent piece of software. Just use the trial if you cannot be bothered to reprofile frequently ...

That does look interesting thank you.
While you are in a "I recommend" mood I am confused by the range of hardware devices, they do offer very wide compatibility, any pointers there, best bang for buck?

Wandering OT as usual, par for the course.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2016, 08:17:44 am »

That does look interesting thank you.
While you are in a "I recommend" mood I am confused by the range of hardware devices, they do offer very wide compatibility, any pointers there, best bang for buck?

Wandering OT as usual, par for the course.

https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-CMUNPH-ColorMunki-Photo/dp/B00169N0BK

 I recommended this spectro to friends in the past, owning one is useful if you want a flexible future-proof device. It can profile displays, printers, do spot measurements of charts etc, and should work ok for just about any display tech. The measurement quality is not the best especially for screens but it's sufficient, price is high, compared to a cheap colorimeter but you should consider that you amortise it as a future-proof accessory to all that junk you already own, even cameras to the extent that most specialists will measure a target before using it for profiling a camera. As it's a single pocketable device, it's convenient to own - I've misplaced mine :)

 If you want a colorimeter, if you own a single wide-gamut pro display it is a good idea to get the matched colorimeter sold by the display manufacturer, otherwise the cheaper Xrite and Spyder products are all ok, but each one *can* mysteriously  fail on one strange particular screen at times, and *can* fail on some newly introduced screen tech. And we're now going to move into OLED and IZGO ...

 In my opinion, if you have a single fairly new high-end Mac and are doing home printing you should be able to survive without a calibrator or just the cheapest one, it's a closed loop system and you're basically a painter,  but once you have a multiple-device, or pro system it's worth minimising screen mismatch frustration and future-proofing your color management solution by going straight to a spectro.

Edmund
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2016, 08:55:58 am »

Wayne,

 
I think we should all thank you for the report. Just knowing the Epson drivers are good is already going to make people happier.
Let's see what other reports are like.
I have a single Sierra setup, and it's already blown up my own software which is probably why I'm not feeling pleasantly predisposed to it.

Edmund

Nope.  I used Lr, Ps, C1, printed to my Epson p9000 and p800. I saw no issues with colors, Bill Atkinsons test page looked and printed normally, matching stored copies of the print for comparison. Everything printed as expected and my display/print match was as expected. I also used i1Profiler to calibrate my displays, again with expected results and no issues. I also did the other things a non power user might do, web browsing, email, a few minor spreadsheets, etc.  No issues.

Personally I don't care much what things look like in the Finder, Safari, or Preview.  However, things appear normal, but I've never checked to see if they "matched" printed output because I never print from them.  They look as I expect them to when I upload them.

As I said, I did the typical things I usually do, and I assume what I do daily is what most photographers do with their computers, including a little web browsing and email.  I don't program, code, create websites, manage servers, do graphic design, or anything else other than work on my images and print them.  Those that do other stuff, they need to check out that stuff for themselves.

Every release causes some consternation for a few users because something unique in their system or situation or some piece of software that isn't very well supported anymore and needs an update.  Interestingly I don't think any of the programs I use required an upgrade although it could be recent updates already addressed issues. Epson drivers are fine.  That may not be true for Canon drivers or other software packages, so each user has to figure that out for themselves or hope there are a few like me who run two machines and have tried that software and report their results (good or bad).
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2016, 09:04:29 am »

I've never heard of this software. How would you compare it to DisplayCal?
https://displaycal.net

Thx
PP

DisplayCal is a GUI wrapper for Argyll.

Argyll is a very serious open source CMS solution, in my experience the Argyll toolkit can do anything well, provided one can figure out the how.

Basiccolor Display is a boutique third party commercial calibration solution whose profiles I usually like. As the trial is free, I recommend it. My opinion only.

Edmund
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2016, 10:18:49 am »

Thanks for the report. Just knowing the Epson drivers are good is already going to make people happier.
Let's see what other reports are like.
I have a single Sierra setup, and it's already blown up my own software which is probably why I'm not feeling pleasantly predisposed to it.

Edmund


So just boot your system from your clone drive and move on.  Then keep testing your Sierra installation as your third party software catches up.  Its not like they did not know this upgrade was coming.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2016, 12:45:01 pm »

https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-CMUNPH-ColorMunki-Photo/dp/B00169N0BK

 I recommended this spectro to friends in the past,
Edmund

Very much appreciated, the deeper I look into colour the more I like my monochrome.
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Re: Mac OSX Sierra; Any Issues
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2016, 01:15:53 pm »

Very much appreciated, the deeper I look into colour the more I like my monochrome.

 ;)

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