Video - why?

[Alan Klein]

A few thoughts.  Video also has sound.  Isn't it nice to video friends and family talking while playing a game or something else in between stills.  Maybe little Alice playing her harpsichord that the family can view 30 years hence.   Short clips to go with those great stills the Mark IV shoots?  They can then be put together in a slide/movie clip DVD or BluRay disk or memory card or downloaded to YouTube to be played on your 4k UHDTV or computer monitor to allow family to see it over the internet - in 4K.  That's what I do.  Well in 1080 right now.  (I wish I had some videos with voice of my parents who have passed on.)

Isn't it interesting that there are so many short training videos on how to use Photoshop for editing still pictures?  I doubt if most are done on Hollywood grade videocams. 

In the end, people are just expressing themselves and recording memories that move as well as just sit there.    Not any worse then looking at another still photo of Yosemite Valley at dusk.  Or was that dawn?

[Rhossydd]

Video also has sound.

If you've ever shot anything on a DSLR you'll know that the default sound options are terrible. If you want even vaguely acceptable sound you'll need to add a decent microphone, which is an ungainly awkward addition.

Isn't it interesting that there are so many short training videos on how to use Photoshop for editing still pictures?  I doubt if most are done on Hollywood grade videocams.

Most are just screen captures. 

[stamper]

Really ? How many proper cinematic releases can you name that have been shot entirely on DSLRs ?

This link took me about 10 seconds to find. Probably less time than it took you to type your post. There will be more but this should mean that your dancing on a head of a pin isn't necessary any more?

https://www.lightsfilmschool.com/blog/5-successful-dslr-feature-films/2205/

[Rhossydd]

This link took me about 10 seconds to find.

It's just five films, out of how many productions in that time span ?, most of which didn't get cinematic release.

[Justinr]

Just a small point but isn't arguing that cinematic films can be happily captured on a DSLR much like saying that top end photography can be done on a smart phone?

[stamper]

It's just five films, out of how many productions in that time span ?, most of which didn't get cinematic release.

I don't think that what anyone posts will convince you? There will obviously be more but you will just dismiss the evidence out of hand.

[pegelli]

It's just five films, out of how many productions in that time span ?, most of which didn't get cinematic release.

I think 5 is more then enough for me to show DSLR's can be useful for making movies. I'm surprised you didn't dismiss these examples as "not proper" 

[stamper]

Just a small point but isn't arguing that cinematic films can be happily captured on a DSLR much like saying that top end photography can be done on a smart phone?

Top end photography can be done on a smart phone. It all depends how you define top end?

[pegelli]

Just a small point but isn't arguing that cinematic films can be happily captured on a DSLR much like saying that top end photography can be done on a smart phone?

Yes, but both of your statements are true 

[Justinr]

Top end photography can be done on a smart phone. It all depends how you define top end?

Vogue fashion, location shoots for glossy car/yacht/food/etc mags, products shots for marketing and so on. Even the editors of much more mundane magazines get fed up with smartphone images being sent in that are simply not up to standard for printing and the difference is there on the page.

[Rhossydd]

I think 5 is more then enough for me to show DSLR's can be useful for making movies. I'm surprised you didn't dismiss these examples as "not proper" 

Do you haver any point to make here or are you just trolling ?

I said "A lot of people have just read silly forums that make out DSLRs have some huge impact on the cinema and television industries, but it simply isn't true.
They get used for the odd small niche application, but not for serious 'A' camera roles."

I say that as a broadcast professional of over 35 years experience. Now if you want to dispute that, try a bit harder 5 almost invisible productions doesn't disprove my point.

[stamper]

Do you haver any point to make here or are you just trolling ?

I said "A lot of people have just read silly forums that make out DSLRs have some huge impact on the cinema and television industries, but it simply isn't true.
They get used for the odd small niche application, but not for serious 'A' camera roles."

I say that as a broadcast professional of over 35 years experience. Now if you want to dispute that, try a bit harder 5 almost invisible productions doesn't disprove my point.

Your 35 years experience isn't showing. You are the one constantly changing the goalposts. How many links do I have to post before you accept that what you are stating is subjective and not an absolute truth?

[Rhossydd]

You are the one constantly changing the goalposts.

Really, where have I done that ?

It's a pretty simple proposition; DSLRs haven't made any major long term impact into film and TV production at a professional level.

Do you have any specialist knowledge or insight that suggests otherwise ?

[stamper]

Really, where have I done that ?

It's a pretty simple proposition; DSLRs haven't made any major long term impact into film and TV production at a professional level.

Do you have any specialist knowledge or insight that suggests otherwise ?

There are three other members disagreeing with you, just not me.

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Ultimately a DSLR is a dreadful form factor for shooting video.

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 You are entitled to your opinion but ultimately it is only your opinion which a lot of people disagree with but according to you they are ALL wrong. At the end of the day it is subjective.

[Rhossydd]

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Ultimately a DSLR is a dreadful form factor for shooting video.
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You are entitled to your opinion but ultimately it is only your opinion which a lot of people disagree with

Who is disagreeing with that ?

Have any of them actually used professional video kit, worked in the industry or have the experience to give an informed opinion ?

[Justinr]

There are three other members disagreeing with you, just not me.

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Ultimately a DSLR is a dreadful form factor for shooting video.

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 You are entitled to your opinion but ultimately it is only your opinion which a lot of people disagree with but according to you they are ALL wrong. At the end of the day it is subjective.

And how many are agreeing with him and find your attempts at cheap point scoring tiresome to say the least?

[pegelli]

Do you haver any point to make here or are you just trolling ?

I am just disagreeing with you, and pointing out your behaviour due to the fact you're setting unrealistic targets without reason and without explaining why.
I don't think that's trolling, and if you can't deal with opinions that differ from yours that's your problem, not mine. I have no problem with your opinion that DSLR's are not suitable for professional movie making but I do think just saying so doesn't prove anything and makes your opinion just as valid as mine.

[Rhossydd]

makes your opinion just as valid as mine.

So the man on the internet forum with no expertise on the subject knows as much as the industry professional ?

Fine, believe what you like.

[Paulo Bizarro]

As with stills, there is good video, and bad video. It's a matter of quality of the product, both technical, and content-wise. It is just another means of conveying a story, of telling a story. Content is of the utmost importance.

As for having to watch it to the end, that is rubbish, one can skip along quite quickly, once the quality of the content becomes obvious, or it turns out that it is not that interesting after all:)

Also, sometimes it is a lot easier to film a procedure, than trying to describe it with words. Makes things more understandable.

[Rob C]

Consider the ergonomics of the bumblebee.

Yes, it flies, but wouldn't you rather soar with the eagles?



Rob C