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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2016, 03:33:58 pm »

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. . .    it never brought ( and never will bring) anything more than a quick solution for websized images...

I have to disagree here.  Content aware fill can be VERY useful in "fine art" work. As with any tool it isn't perfect and sometimes requires creative use and other tools to "finish the job."  But overall it is a fine addition to the tool kit, IMO.

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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2016, 04:31:03 pm »

can you actually give us your website so we can see your work?   You are very opinionated and when questioned on your statement, you give some snarky reply.

No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2016, 04:44:34 pm »

No, I can't.
My portfolio is on paper.
Ah, more opaque than I thought.
On paper. Ever heard of a scanner or digital camera?
So IOW, you don't create anything yourself. You've got no photography of your own (hence your rant about amateur photography).
The more you write, the more clear it becomes for some of us what we should do with your strong opinions on software, photography and other matters. Explains the snarky replies too.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2016, 04:49:27 pm »

No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.


Then your opinion means nothing to me.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2016, 04:55:48 pm »

No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.

CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time)
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2016, 04:57:59 pm »

CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time)
Oh that's a good one! Please let us share it, the web is filled with Profane Benny's.  ;D
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2016, 05:46:53 pm »

Oh that's a good one! Please let us share it, the web is filled with Profane Benny's.  ;D

Feel free to use it.  Fair credit though goes to Andy Ihnatko who used the term Celestial Waste of Bandwidth.  This was just a riff off of Andy's CWOB that seemed appropriate.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2016, 05:47:09 pm »

Say, btw, you should work on that website of yours, dog. 1997 called, and wants it back. Along with the content.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2016, 06:26:53 pm »

do you know the difference between my professional re-touch works and your is?
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2016, 06:56:46 pm »

Say, btw, you should work on that website of yours, dog. 1997 called, and wants it back. Along with the content.
The content that was updated on 05.18.16? At least I have a web page. Transparency. Some actual experience shooting, working with pre-release software and finished software, enough to provide an informed opinion on that software. You've only got daddy's laptop and a connection to LuLa and RetouchPRO to rant on.
Get back to retouching on that Etch-a-Sketch of yours Benny boy.
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2016, 10:25:25 pm »

do you know the difference between my professional re-touch works and your is?

Um, what?
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2016, 11:11:10 pm »

nothing, i have never doe any professional retouching and until you actual show us any evidence that you have, they are exactly the same
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2016, 11:40:06 pm »

an overcolored example of moiré at a place you would not expect it...

I would actually expect moire in a situation like that even with a Camera with AA filter. The fine detail or high frequency in the bricks is what is causing it.

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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2016, 04:13:31 am »

I would actually expect moire in a situation like that even with a Camera with AA filter. The fine detail or high frequency in the bricks is what is causing it.
hello Francesco,

But does not that assume the bricks are placed in about as perfect in a raster like the sensor is?
I see a brick wall as a not perfect human shaped raster...
Also the bricks themselves are rough they have broken edges...
Anyway, in my experience moiré is a major problem of the ACR/LR raw engine.  I have my ways of dealing with it, but it takes time and effort...
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2016, 09:09:42 am »

hello Francesco,

But does not that assume the bricks are placed in about as perfect in a raster like the sensor is?
I see a brick wall as a not perfect human shaped raster...
Also the bricks themselves are rough they have broken edges...

Hi Pieter,

There is no need for perfect symmetry to cause aliasing. All that is required is finer detail than the sensor can resolve, and due to the Bayer CFA that resolution limit differs between Green and Red/Blue. If the detail has a high enough contrast (and with a decent lens, in focus, on a sensor without OLPF) it will, that will cause visible false color moiré. It will be even easier to detect if there is a slight difference in angle between the sensor array grid and the subject pattern, because the expected subject pattern is modified/distorted to different directions than the pattern itself.

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Anyway, in my experience moiré is a major problem of the ACR/LR raw engine.  I have my ways of dealing with it, but it takes time and effort...

Correct, ACR/LR show more False Color moiré and demosaicing artifacts than some other Raw converters. Some of it can be hidden with postprocessing, but one starts with a disadvantage. It also produces slightly lower output resolution than e.g. Capture One or RawTherapee, but most people use LR for the workflow benefits, not for the very best technical image quality.

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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2016, 12:54:37 pm »

added- an overcolored example of moiré at a place you would not expect it...
Is that a cropped example of the image at 100% (1:1)?
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2016, 06:19:10 pm »

@digitaldog & @Benny Profane. I am receiving complaints about tone and attitude in this thread. My favourite tone was the Monty Python foot that stomped down with a loud crepitation Ending It All. You may hear it soon should the tone not improve. [Please do not reply]

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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2016, 05:43:06 pm »

It just got interesting.


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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2016, 05:47:55 pm »

Oh no it didn't ... 😴
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Re: Major release of Photoshop CC coming soon?
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2016, 09:51:59 pm »

Bart, thanks for explaining the moiré stuff;

Correct, ACR/LR show more False Color moiré and demosaicing artifacts than some other Raw converters. Some of it can be hidden with postprocessing, but one starts with a disadvantage. It also produces slightly lower output resolution than e.g. Capture One or RawTherapee, but most people use LR for the workflow benefits, not for the very best technical image quality....
I use ACR also because i really like the sharpness of the image;
I agree with Raw therapy; it does a really good job with detail, but i have a problem learning it and getting the colours right.. ;I have to disagree with Capture one. I get sharp parts mixed with "Trump hair' flat parts. The sharpness does not come at a level and uniformity of sharpness i get with ACR.
Probably i have not used capture one the way i should... I use a d810 BTW.


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