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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2016, 03:14:52 PM »

I do not know why this affair have something to do with actual politic in US or Europe ... You guys drift a lot. Anyway I have a work to finish for the White House before the end of the year I hope the actual "resident" will be able to see it.
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« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2016, 04:04:17 PM »

Actually I think the thing you probably ought to worry about is the U.S. left-wing castrating our military and our ability to protect Europe from the developing Muslim invasion. We're pretty close to a point where thanks to the cost of our Socialism we won't be able to afford that any longer. As usual, the Netherlands will be one of the first to go under.

Well, it's either that, or global warming, we're doomed as the low countries near the Sea.

Even some of our (WW2) bunkers, in this case bunker number 599 of the Dutch waterline defense, are hopelessly split between left and right ...

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« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2016, 04:19:14 PM »

On a side note, there is this constant inclination to dismiss facts based on the source of reporting. A version of ad hominem?

Ad Hominem???? Not my intention at all, just taking news for what it's worth, one side to a story (and it's always helpful to understand the intentions of the source of that news). Take multiple versions of that news, from different sources with different agendas, and one might find a somewhat better balanced version.

That's why news reporting photo's should not be manipulated by adding/removing/concealing things that alter the interpretation of what is shown as factual.

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« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2016, 04:39:49 PM »

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Ad Hominem???? Not my intention at all,

I said "a version of" ad hominem, where instead questioning the credibility of the person, one questions the credibility of the news source, and in both cases failing to address the subject matter.

...That's why news reporting photo's should not be manipulated by adding/removing/concealing things that alter the interpretation of what is shown as factual...

Are you suggesting that I did that with the posted Sharia Patrol photo?

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Take multiple versions of that news, from different sources with different agendas, and one might find a somewhat better balanced version.

What are the other sources of that news and how it then becomes "better balanced"?

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« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2016, 05:53:33 PM »

Just answering a question, I know it's off-topic.

Are you suggesting that I did that with the posted Sharia Patrol photo?

No.

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What are the other sources of that news and how it then becomes "better balanced"?

e.g. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35059488

or http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/german-higher-court-rules-to-send-so-called-sharia-police-to-trial-for-violating-ban-on-political-uniforms
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After the initial furor over his nighttime patrols, Lau said his goal was to provoke the public, admitting “we knew that this would raise attention.”

The publicity ruse was met with disapproval from Muslim advocacy groups in Germany. “These people are perverting the name of our religion. With this shrill and foolish action, they are really hurting Muslims,” the chairman of one such group told a German newspaper when the controversy first came to light.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150902/prosecutors-target-leader-of-sharia-police
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The western state of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) is widely regarded as a hotspot for fundamentalist Islam in Germany.

A number of high-profile German 'foreign fighters' who have joined Isis in Iraq or Syria came from the country's most densely populated region.

But also:
http://pamelageller.com/2016/05/sharia-police-who-patrolled-german-city-of-wuppertal-in-orange-vests-to-face-trial.html/

And many more. Just make sure to also verify the intentions of the source to be in a better position to decode the actual message they are sending.

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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #105 on: June 09, 2016, 06:28:35 PM »

...Just make sure to also verify the intentions of the source to be in a better position to decode the actual message they are sending.

I am still confused. Just how what you posted (additional sources) contradicts what I posted? Or "decodes" it differently?

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« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2016, 07:02:37 PM »

I am still confused. Just how what you posted (additional sources) contradicts what I posted? Or "decodes" it differently?

You think there is a contradiction? I don't follow that reasoning. There are different messages being sent by different sources about the same subject.

Some are Islamophobe in nature (spreading FUD about Islam taking over the world), others have a more optimistic view and look for the solutions rather than the differences (although the lack of separation between (any) religion and politics/government creates difficulties if not solved within a generation or two).

Pointing out (and magnifying) the differences never solved an issue, looking for explanations and, when understood, finding a way to bridge the divide can solve issues. And yes, it takes two to tango, fundamentalism doesn't help.

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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2016, 07:56:01 PM »

Well, it's either that, or global warming, we're doomed as the low countries near the Sea.

How about global cooling? When I was at University of Michigan I had a physical geology prof who was going to learn to build an igloo because of the oncoming new ice age. The global warming and global cooling fads are just that: fads. Climate changes constantly and nobody can predict what it's going to do next.

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« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2016, 09:57:37 PM »

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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2016, 10:08:42 AM »

An example of the latest twist on twisting information - how Google seems to manipulate search results in Hillary Clinton's favor:

https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/PFxFRqNmXKg
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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2016, 08:28:17 PM »

McCurry could have tried a quote attributed to Hermann Weyl to get out of his dilemma: "My work always tried to unite the true with the beautiful; but when I had to choose one or the other, I usually chose the beautiful."
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« Reply #111 on: June 13, 2016, 02:16:37 PM »

McCurry could have tried a quote attributed to Hermann Weyl to get out of his dilemma: "My work always tried to unite the true with the beautiful; but when I had to choose one or the other, I usually chose the beautiful."


That's a good one, Rajan. I might even commit a cultural appropriation crime and use it myself ;)

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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #112 on: July 03, 2016, 06:29:43 PM »

His blog is back up. The processing style now seems more natural than the earlier borderline garish treatment.

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« Reply #113 on: July 03, 2016, 08:33:26 PM »

That's a good one, Rajan. I might even commit a cultural appropriation crime and use it myself ;)

Oh, there's plenty of good quotes on the subject... Just watch this: Photography: Truth or Beauty

As to that video (it's "pre McCurry-gate", BTW), I find one thing especially interesting: finally someone talks about what beats all that cloning out [email protected] -- see the image at 11:00.
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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2016, 09:07:55 AM »

Coming from an advertising background, that anyone believes what they see feels extraordinary.

Shame it can win elections, but there you are: caveat emptor. It's all a bill of goods.

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« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2016, 09:40:11 AM »

McCurry could have tried a quote attributed to Hermann Weyl to get out of his dilemma: "My work always tried to unite the true with the beautiful; but when I had to choose one or the other, I usually chose the beautiful."

Now there's an unexpected reference :) Part of my PhD was a review of some of the discarded theories to attempt to unify electromagnetism and gravitation: one of those was Weyl's. It's a nice example of how even theoretical physics is strangely experimental. He wrote down an elegant theory, that every particle carried with it it's own notion of length, a "gauge". Variations in the length of this gauge could then give rise to a phenomenon like an EM field. However, a lot of mathematics eventually made the prediction that each particle would have its own personal spectrum, which is not at all what is observed. Hence the confrontation between truth and beauty. Otoh, the notion of "gauge field" hung about, not for length but for various forms of direction in extra dimensions, so the standard model of particle physics is still a gauge theory.

The Truth vs Beauty conundrum is also remembered in one pair of quarks, which are called Truth and Beauty in some labs (but more often Top and Bottom, last time I looked, long ago).

A similar situation arose with Ed Witten's work on String Fields: it was supposed to be physics, but no one has ever found any observations to support it. Eventually he was given a Field's Medal (for mathematics) rather than a Nobel for physics. As it happens, back in the 80's a lot of this stuff was being discussed and written down at the annual Summer School of theoretical physics in Les Houches, where I was on holiday last week. I was out cycling and saw a sign pointing up the hill the "L'école de physique". I had to go :)

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Re: McCurry Scandal?
« Reply #116 on: July 04, 2016, 03:45:43 PM »

Weyl's semi-popular book "Symmetry" is a beautiful exposition.
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