Lightroom color profile spec'ing

[howardm]

Is the profile/rendering intent used in the Develop softproof module 'passed' over to the Print module or are they fully independent specifications (possibly leading to the situation where you softproof w/ one profile/RI and accidently have a different profile/RI (maybe from a previous print job) listed in the 'Print Job' panel. 

I'm going to say 'no' since that is not how PS works and the profile listed on the Print Job screen is never auto-magically changed when you muck w/ the Develop softproof spec.

I thought I recalled somewhere hearing (maybe an AndrewR video?) that somehow they *were* somehow auto-magically linked.

[digitaldog]

RI is honered via Proof Copies.

[howardm]

so only the RI, not the profile name/specification via proof copy?

[Mark D Segal]

In my, most recent, copy of LR on Mac OSX 10.11.4, none of it is conveyed from one module to the other. They work independently. So yes, you can "screw-up" by softproofing to one profile and RI, while a completely different profile and RI remain in the Print Module. You need to check that both the profile and the RI are consistent between the two modules.

[digitaldog]

In my, most recent, copy of LR on Mac OSX 10.11.4, none of it is conveyed from one module to the other. They work independently. So yes, you can "screw-up" by softproofing to one profile and RI, while a completely different profile and RI remain in the Print Module. You need to check that both the profile and the RI are consistent between the two modules.

Something is goofy here in LR6 if RI isn't being honored! I may need to go back a version but here's what Eric Chan specifically wrote and how LR used to behave (LR5):

Yes, the Print module does respect the choice of render intent for a particular proof copy, regardless of what the setting is in the Print Job.  So, if you’ve customized a proof copy to use a particular printer profile and render intent, and you also specify the same printer profile in the Print Job panel in the Print module, then Lr will use your proof copy’s associated render intent, regardless of the Intent setting in the Print Job panel.  Your only indication of this behavior is admittedly obscure:  the rollover tooltip for the Intent setting in the Print Job panel.

[Mark D Segal]

Something is goofy here in LR6 if RI isn't being honored! I may need to go back a version but here's what Eric Chan specifically wrote and how LR used to behave (LR5):

Yes, the Print module does respect the choice of render intent for a particular proof copy, regardless of what the setting is in the Print Job.  So, if you’ve customized a proof copy to use a particular printer profile and render intent, and you also specify the same printer profile in the Print Job panel in the Print module, then Lr will use your proof copy’s associated render intent, regardless of the Intent setting in the Print Job panel.  Your only indication of this behavior is admittedly obscure:  the rollover tooltip for the Intent setting in the Print Job panel.

Goofy or not, then was then and now is now. I am working in LR 6.5 as I write here and retested this once again. I changed the profile AND THE RI in the softproof set-up in the Develop module, but these changes were not automatically ported to the Print Module. The latter retained the differing profile and RI. It would be nice if they were cohered automatically because that would avoid the error of forgetting to check the profile and RI in the Print module before clicking on "Print". It has tripped me up in the past!

[digitaldog]

so only the RI, not the profile name/specification via proof copy?

Correct (sorry if my last reply to you was short, it was via my phone). The template setup, which can includes a profile takes precedent. But if that template is set for say Epson Luster and in Proof Copy, you used that profile too, the RI will be honored. If the template was setup for Epson Matt, that's what gets used so beware!
One could argue that it might be useful for a proof copy to override the template and use the profile and RI.

[howardm]

No worry.

And I would be one of the people to argue that

In modern software, there's always a hierarchy of defaults, options, etc and yea, it can be tricky as to which one takes most precedence (for an example of this, try to configure the ssh tool (command line)).  I would certainly expect that the proof copy override the template settings but also that Adobe link the profile/RI from Develop to Print and throw up a warning if you decide to manually change the Print Print-Job panel settings.  How often would somebody softproof one way and then print another?  Not too IMO.

[Mark D Segal]

No worry.

And I would be one of the people to argue that

In modern software, there's always a hierarchy of defaults, options, etc and yea, it can be tricky as to which one takes most precedence (for an example of this, try to configure the ssh tool (command line)).  I would certainly expect that the proof copy override the template settings but also that Adobe link the profile/RI from Develop to Print and throw up a warning if you decide to manually change the Print Print-Job panel settings.  How often would somebody softproof one way and then print another?  Not too IMO.

Howard, in good software design one shouldn't need to think twice about achieving coherence between two variables that should be cohered by default, because otherwise forgetfulness can cause errors. I think we are both saying the profile and RI settings in Develop should automatically convey to Print. I can't for the life of me think of any conditions in which one would want them to differ.

[howardm]

Mark, yes, we are in total agreement.  Considering that one HAS to pick the image (or virtual proof copy) that has certain conditions set, why would anyone pick something else in the Print Job panel?  Even if there is/was a reason, like I said, transfer the settings and make the user aware of it if they *change* the Print Job values.

[howardm]

I watched the recent Kevin Raber/Jeff Schewe video on softproofing and in it, Jeff seems to explicitly mention that the softproof settings (profile & RI) are auto-magically carried over to the print module.

Jeff, would you pls clarify?

Where's that confused emoji when you need it

[Schewe]

Jeff, would you pls clarify?

Well it used to work and I was going off the same info Andrew was...just tried it and it doesn't seem to work now on LR CC. I'll ping Eric and ask for a qualification...